Trade Deadline Options

[bustaheims]

I don't think there is any guarantee we'd get a 2nd round pick.

Well, there's few guarantees in anything, but, considering how useful Santorelli can be, how small his cap hit is and how many teams are said to be interested, I'd be very surprised if the return was less than a 2nd. Even later picks can turn into good players. What the Leafs need are guys who can either be key contributors 3 seasons from now or guys that can be cheap, effective depth by then. Santorelli is neither of those.

 

[Chris]

There are also players like John Doherty (Leafs second round pick in 2003). On the other hand, Dustin Byfuglien didn't go until the 8th round.

I think a valid argument could be made to either keep or trade Santorelli. If he isn't interested in staying in Toronto for a reasonable deal, then you obviously trade him (and it sounds like that may be the case). If he is willing to sign a reasonable deal, then you have to consider whether he would be a good character player to keep around during the early stages of a rebuild.

If they choose to go that route, that is.

 

[bustaheims]

There are also players like John Doherty (Leafs second round pick in 2003). On the other hand, Dustin Byfuglien didn't go until the 8th round.

I think a valid argument could be made to either keep or trade Santorelli. If he isn't interested in staying in Toronto for a reasonable deal, then you obviously trade him (and it sounds like that may be the case). If he is willing to sign a reasonable deal, then you have to consider whether he would be a good character player to keep around during the early stages of a rebuild.

If they choose to go that route, that is.

The thing is, good "character" players can generally be found pretty easily as UFAs. Draft picks and high-end prospects, on the other hand, can not. Teams in the Leafs' position have to prioritize high ceiling players and think 3 years down the line over character players and the next couple seasons.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

There are also players like John Doherty (Leafs second round pick in 2003). On the other hand, Dustin Byfuglien didn't go until the 8th round.

I think a valid argument could be made to either keep or trade Santorelli. If he isn't interested in staying in Toronto for a reasonable deal, then you obviously trade him (and it sounds like that may be the case). If he is willing to sign a reasonable deal, then you have to consider whether he would be a good character player to keep around during the early stages of a rebuild.

If they choose to go that route, that is.

The thing is, good "character" players can generally be found pretty easily as UFAs. Draft picks and high-end prospects, on the other hand, can not. Teams in the Leafs' position have to prioritize high ceiling players and think 3 years down the line over character players and the next couple seasons.

Yeah they really have to start stockpiling picks and building the system.  "Character" guys aren't going to do much for the team right now.  Look at Buffalo - they have THREE first round picks this year.  When was the last time the Leafs stocked up on draft picks for a draft?  Increases your chances of being successful with your picks and if you can get enough picks maybe you can use one on a "home run" type pick as well.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah they really have to start stockpiling picks and building the system.  "Character" guys aren't going to do much for the team right now.  Look at Buffalo - they have THREE first round picks this year.  When was the last time the Leafs stocked up on draft picks for a draft?  Increases your chances of being successful with your picks and if you can get enough picks maybe you can use one on a "home run" type pick as well.

Before the Biggs/Percy draft, the last time the Leafs made multiple 1st round picks was 1993!

 

[jdh1]

Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.

So I guess the reason he can't stay on his skates is because he keeps tripping over all of his heart?

Now Now    lets be nice.

 

[Chris]

I'd love to see the Leafs with 3 first round picks this year. If achieving that means trading Santorelli, then you do it, no question. But when you start getting into lower round picks (and trading Santorelli to a contender for a 2nd rounder, for example, would be a lower 2nd rounder) I don't think it's so cut and dried (though you might be right).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeah they really have to start stockpiling picks and building the system.  "Character" guys aren't going to do much for the team right now.  Look at Buffalo - they have THREE first round picks this year.  When was the last time the Leafs stocked up on draft picks for a draft?  Increases your chances of being successful with your picks and if you can get enough picks maybe you can use one on a "home run" type pick as well.

Before the Biggs/Percy draft, the last time the Leafs made multiple 1st round picks was 1993!

And I don't even mean just 1st round picks.  Just get as many picks as possible.

Look at that 2003 draft.  Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber and David Backes were 2nd round picks.

 

[bustaheims]

Look at that 2003 draft.  Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber and David Backes were 2nd round picks.

And, relatively late ones, too. Bergeron and Weber went 45th and 49th respectively. Backes was basically a 3rd rounder, going 62nd.

 

[Manson]

Do the Leafs have all their draft picks this year?  Any extras?

 

[louisstamos]

Do the Leafs have all their draft picks this year?  Any extras?

No 2nd round pick, and their 7th round pick to Columbus is conditional.

 

[Manson]

Do the Leafs have all their draft picks this year?  Any extras?

No 2nd round pick, and their 7th round pick to Columbus is conditional.

Thanks.  They'll definitely get at least one 2nd back, probably a 1st as well.  Should be a fun draft for you guys.  I think they'll keep dropping, especially after the trade deadline.

 

[bustaheims]

No 2nd round pick, and their 7th round pick to Columbus is conditional.

The conditions on that picks can no longer be met. The Leafs will retain it.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

What do the Leafs do come trade deadline?

Least likely Chicago, already in pretty good shape, no cap space, pretty solid line-up. Who would they want to part with? Winnipeg, though in free-fall also, we need to deal Phanuef or Franson and they are in pretty good shape on the blueline. Do we really want Kane?

Kane missing the rest of the season to have surgery now, so he won't get traded now.  But, that does mean the Jets have cap space with LTIR, so they have money to spend and a big hole on the wing to fill.  We could help without having to take Kane back! Lupul and JVR would be good candidates with similar cap hits.

So, what get's it done?  What do the Leafs take back??

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't think there is any guarantee we'd get a 2nd round pick.

For Santorelli? I'd be stunned if we didn't get a 2nd rounder back. There's a lot of interest in him because of his play and his low cap hit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What do the Leafs do come trade deadline?

Least likely Chicago, already in pretty good shape, no cap space, pretty solid line-up. Who would they want to part with? Winnipeg, though in free-fall also, we need to deal Phanuef or Franson and they are in pretty good shape on the blueline. Do we really want Kane?

Kane missing the rest of the season to have surgery now, so he won't get traded now.

It's the perfect deal for a tanking team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It's the perfect deal for a tanking team.

And the Jets might be a little more desperate to acquire a player to help keep them in the playoff race. They were kind of weak on the wings even before this. I genuinely wonder if at this point Lupul for Kane would be doable. They can both be considered injury prone, but Lupul's seen as a leader and doesn't come with any of the character concerns. Same cap hit, both with 3 years left on their deals.

The only problem is Lupul has a limited NTC and might not be too keen on going to Winnipeg.

 

[Kin]

The thing is, good "character" players can generally be found pretty easily as UFAs. Draft picks and high-end prospects, on the other hand, can not. Teams in the Leafs' position have to prioritize high ceiling players and think 3 years down the line over character players and the next couple seasons.

Not to mention that there are a bunch of teams the Leafs could trade Santorelli to, who would probably be interested in him, who almost certainly couldn't re-sign him if he ended up looking for a substantial raise so if having Mike Santorelli around were some sort of actual need, he's likely to be available regardless.

 

[Palmateer29]

It's the perfect deal for a tanking team.

And the Jets might be a little more desperate to acquire a player to help keep them in the playoff race. They were kind of weak on the wings even before this. I genuinely wonder if at this point Lupul for Kane would be doable. They can both be considered injury prone, but Lupul's seen as a leader and doesn't come with any of the character concerns. Same cap hit, both with 3 years left on their deals.

The only problem is Lupul has a limited NTC and might not be too keen on going to Winnipeg.

Especially not if he is taking over Kane's spot on the 3rd line. He was relegated there due to poor work ethic and attitude, no surprise

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

It's the perfect deal for a tanking team.

And the Jets might be a little more desperate to acquire a player to help keep them in the playoff race. They were kind of weak on the wings even before this. I genuinely wonder if at this point Lupul for Kane would be doable. They can both be considered injury prone, but Lupul's seen as a leader and doesn't come with any of the character concerns. Same cap hit, both with 3 years left on their deals.

The only problem is Lupul has a limited NTC and might not be too keen on going to Winnipeg.

Especially not if he is taking over Kane's spot on the 3rd line. He was relegated there due to poor work ethic and attitude, no surprise

He wasn't playing on their 3rd line.  He led their forwards in ice-time his last two games.