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Trade Deadline

I was referring more to not trading JVR. I'm not too bent out of shape about not getting McDonagh. It's not like the Leafs couldn't have made a comparable offer, but maybe NYR liked Tampa's players better? Not trading JVR though, boggles my mind.
 
I'm actually kind of happy they didn't do anything. Well, it would have been nice to acquire a defenseman that would permanently push Polak out of the lineup (if that's even possible), but I wasn't too thrilled with the prices I was seeing for McDonagh or Karlsson. I'd rather keep the team together, see how they handle another playoff run, and then make some decisions.

It will kind of suck if we lose JVR for nothing or next to nothing but maybe the offers for him weren't as great as we all though they would be. Or, maybe there is an "agreement" that he signs for a discount during the summer. I think this team has shown they can compete with anyone, so if Andersen can keep his form into the playoffs...you never know!
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Technically the upgrade was available, it's just that the Leafs didn't want to pay the price for it.

I think what is bothersome is that it seems like the day was approached without a lack of direction.  They weren't trying to build for the future or trying to go for it now.

I'm pretty okay with it. Plekanec makes a pretty big difference without impeding the development of our actual core players. McDonagh or Karlsson definitely would've been huge gets, but the cost was over the line our front office wanted to bother with. At this stage of our team build, I prefer holding some hard lines on deadline spending.

Should they have sold to capitalize on the market for JvR? I think my stance on this is that they should've sold him two years ago, but now that he's still here, there's more value to the team to retain his services to give them the best go at the playoffs with what they have. Maybe we get a pick from someone who wants to talk to him a week earlier.
 
AvroArrow said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
This is bordering on being as bad as Benning in Vancouver.

Seriously?

Yes, Plekanec doesn't move the needle, the Leafs won't lay a punch on this Tampa team.

Either commit to buying or commit to selling.

The didn't do enough of either.

They got caught in an arms race and have been seriously surpassed by their direct competitors, as soon as that becomes the case they should have entered asset management phase and cashed in on expiring contracts.

I find it extremely hard to believe there wasn't a bottom pair upgrade at the very least.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
cabber24 said:
TML fan said:
Best guess is the Leafs didn't want to send the wrong message by weaking the team going into the playoffs. Some might see it as giving up on the season. It doesn't make much sense to me either, I'm just looking for any kind of justification for not doing anything.
They got their C? It honestly sounds like people wanted Karlsson of McDonagh or they would be disappointed. Sure McDonagh would have been nice but we can't win them all. We are a strong team with lot's of depth with our draft picks intact. Yes, we still need help on the blue line but an upgrade wasn't available to us today.

Technically the upgrade was available, it's just that the Leafs didn't want to pay the price for it.

I think what is bothersome is that it seems like the day was approached without a lack of direction.  They weren't trying to build for the future or trying to go for it now.
We're 13-2 in the last 15. I am okay sticking with this group. Honestly outside McDonagh who would you of wanted?

I thought maybe Oduya on the waiver wire would of been a low risk gamble.
 
cabber24 said:
TML fan said:
Best guess is the Leafs didn't want to send the wrong message by weaking the team going into the playoffs. Some might see it as giving up on the season. It doesn't make much sense to me either, I'm just looking for any kind of justification for not doing anything.
They got their C? It honestly sounds like people wanted Karlsson of McDonagh or they would be disappointed. Sure McDonagh would have been nice but we can't win them all. We are a strong team with lot's of depth with our draft picks intact. Yes, we still need help on the blue line but an upgrade wasn't available to us today.

I get that they're wasn't an upgrade available on D today, but it is very frustrating to watch them to continually add up front (with mostly aging players) and still not be able to address their biggest weakest. Surely a suitable defensemen has been within their reach at some point over the past few seasons.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
AvroArrow said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
This is bordering on being as bad as Benning in Vancouver.

Seriously?

Yes, Plekanec doesn't move the needle, the Leafs won't lay a punch on this Tampa team.

Either commit to buying or commit to selling.

The didn't do enough of either.

They got caught in an arms race and have been seriously surpassed by their direct competitors, as soon as that becomes the case they should have entered asset management phase and cashed in on expiring contracts.

I find it extremely hard to believe there wasn't a bottom pair upgrade at the very least.

By every account, they were in on McDonagh and that LITERALLY went down to the wire... They were committed to going for it, but didn't beat Tampa's offer and had no time to adjust.
 
A lack of action does not mean they did nothing.  That is the most common form of ignorance during trade, draft and UFA time.
 
I don't think it's as easy to play trades of one another internally. Maybe they thought they would get McDonagh or Green when they traded for Plekanec, and Montreal said now or he's going to the Jets so they pulled the trigger. Then the Rangers wouldn't back down on Liljigren and Green said no to the Leafs. Would love to be a fly on the wall for one deadline.

I'm fine with what they did. They're a little better, they have a chance to improve on last year's result and they didn't give up much to do it.
 
cabber24 said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
cabber24 said:
TML fan said:
Best guess is the Leafs didn't want to send the wrong message by weaking the team going into the playoffs. Some might see it as giving up on the season. It doesn't make much sense to me either, I'm just looking for any kind of justification for not doing anything.
They got their C? It honestly sounds like people wanted Karlsson of McDonagh or they would be disappointed. Sure McDonagh would have been nice but we can't win them all. We are a strong team with lot's of depth with our draft picks intact. Yes, we still need help on the blue line but an upgrade wasn't available to us today.

Technically the upgrade was available, it's just that the Leafs didn't want to pay the price for it.

I think what is bothersome is that it seems like the day was approached without a lack of direction.  They weren't trying to build for the future or trying to go for it now.
We're 13-2 in the last 15. I am okay sticking with this group. Honestly outside McDonagh who would you of wanted?

I thought maybe Oduya on the waiver wire would of been a low risk gamble.

Honestly, I thought Tanev would have been more of a fit.  But yeah the injury thing is a bit of a concern. 

Maybe their stance is just a by-product of being in between that not really bad, but not quite the a surefire cup contender.

I think though if they lose Bozak, JVR, and Komarov to free agency and they have to run with the youngin's next year, it would have made sense to get something for them and run with them for the end of this year. 

I don't think the Leafs can beat Boston, Tampa and Pittsburgh this year.
 
RedLeaf said:
cabber24 said:
TML fan said:
Best guess is the Leafs didn't want to send the wrong message by weaking the team going into the playoffs. Some might see it as giving up on the season. It doesn't make much sense to me either, I'm just looking for any kind of justification for not doing anything.
They got their C? It honestly sounds like people wanted Karlsson of McDonagh or they would be disappointed. Sure McDonagh would have been nice but we can't win them all. We are a strong team with lot's of depth with our draft picks intact. Yes, we still need help on the blue line but an upgrade wasn't available to us today.

I get that they're wasn't an upgrade available on D today, but it is very frustrating to watch them to continually add up front (with mostly aging players) and still not be able to address their biggest weakest. Surely a suitable defensemen has been within their reach at some point over the past few seasons.
Ask EDM how their search for an available D has gone?

Hopefully we can keep the band together long enough for Lilegren to grow into his hype and maybe that Ozhiganov guy signs and develops into a meaningful role. Doughty and Karlsson? Doubt it.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Well, right, but the latter is what makes the former so hard to understand.

Sure, from a pure asset management POV it doesn't make sense, but, from the perspective of thinking they have an outside shot at something? I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it.
 
The thing that bugs me most about not moving JVR, besides the fact that he's a one tool guy whose value may be at its peak, is that he may well be a liability in the playoffs. I still recall how abysmal he was defensively against Boston in the first round years back. There's little reason to think that would change this time around, and his puck-tipping skills are not enough to compensate.
 
Strangelove said:
The thing that bugs me most about not moving JVR, besides the fact that he's a one tool guy whose value may be at its peak, is that he may well be a liability in the playoffs. I still recall how abysmal he was defensively against Boston in the first round years back. There's little reason to think that would change this time around, and his puck-tipping skills are not enough to compensate.

With Komarov-Plekanec-x  as a secondary shutdown unit I wouldn't be surprised to see JVR-Bozak-x used more like a 4th line that'll get extra minutes when we're trailing by 2+ goals from here on out, or at least in the playoffs.
 

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