Tyson Barrie

[disco]

https://twitter.com/Avalanche/status/1146182283482677250
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1146509055332093957
https://twitter.com/tysonbarrie/status/1146516863167238144
I'm also from Barrie and I live in Barrie.

 

[50 Mission Cap]

He's going to fit in quite nicely. I saw an interview with Kyle Dubas andhe mentioned that he puts character before skill. It's the way I've done done for years in private business, but never really thought about it applying to a hockey player. But when I look at what happened to the Ottawa Senators it hit me that it's critical that you have the right players in the room.

 

[disco]

Just looking at the numbers again on that graphic... man, Mo got 72 points with 52 assists? The dude is a fricken STEAL at $5-million over the next three years. Puck-moving, smart and quick D in his prime, a veteran of 7 years and still only 25 years old. Mo would get giant offers thrown his way.

 

[Nik]

Puck-moving, smart and quick D in his prime, a veteran of 7 years and still only 25 years old. Mo would get giant offers thrown his way.

He probably would but I wonder if his Norris showing maybe reveals he's sort of still seen as mainly just an offensive guy. Still very valuable but not the complete package.

Of course Jake Muzzin got a third place Norris vote so maybe we shouldn't draw too many conclusions there.

 

[hockeyfan1]

At least he knows what to do:

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[herman]

https://www.tsn.ca/report-toronto-maple-leafs-tyson-barrie-eyes-8m-on-next-deal-1.1334566

Given what Tyler Myers and Drew Doughty got, this is a pretty reasonable number. Let?s see what Trouba lands on.

We're probably going to have a lot of Muzzin vs Barrie debates towards the latter half of this season (barring a deadline deal rendering the conversation moot). The Leafs have only Rielly (and Sandin, Liljegren, Duszak, Hollowell, Lindgren, RFA Dermott, RFA Borgman, RFA Kivihalme) under contract on defense beyond this season, so it's a good opportunity to build up a mobile corps with everyone tiered appropriately (while Rielly is super cheap) while also taking the Seattle expansion draft requirements into consideration.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Keep in mind this is from Steve "I literally don't fact check any of my claims" Simmons, so grain of salt and all that. But Carlson's 8x8 deal from last offseason would pretty much be a direct comparable here.

The question for Barrie vs. Muzzin could just come down to what's a better use of cap space. Barrie at that number or Muzzin at a lower one, like $6mil. Especially when you forecast Rielly's number down the line.

I'd try to talk to both right now and see if either wants to lock in at a slightly less than market rate a year before they become UFAs. If neither does, which is fair, then let's see how they both play out during the season.

 

[Coco-puffs]

As much as I could argue re-signing Muzzin over Barrie due to lower expected cost, two things jump out at me:

1.  Muzzin's skating isn't the greatest- I'd expect an earlier decline
2.  LHD vs RHD

It makes me believe the premium cost of Barrie (probably in terms of both AAV and term) is probably the best place to spend money.

As of right now we are spending approx. 12.1m on the Barrie, Muzzin, Ceci, Dermott combo.  All of our top 9 forwards (save for Marner) are locked up through 2021, plus Petan, Agostino.  4th line C can again be replaced with league min players (maybe Spezza comes back for 700k again?  Shore?)

Take the increase in cap (lets be conservative and say 2m again), then you have 14m to spend on:

Barrie (8m)
Dermott (4m)
Sandin (900k)
Liljegren (863k)

Sure, if you spend only 6m on Muzzin, you can upgrade on one of those youngsters and sign a 5th D-man for 3m but I'd rather roll with the above.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

My cap concerns with Barrie aren't about next season, but more projecting further down the line. When Tavares happened I always said that being top-heavy cap wise isn't the end of the world, but throwing in two $8mil+ defencemen on top of all those forwards might just be pushing it. Then again, we'd still have 2 seasons of Mo at $5mil after that summer and that's 2 seasons where we should be pushing hard for the Cup. So maybe it'd be a risk but certainly one worth looking at.

 

[Bender]

My cap concerns with Barrie aren't about next season, but more projecting further down the line. When Tavares happened I always said that being top-heavy cap wise isn't the end of the world, but throwing in two $8mil+ defencemen on top of all those forwards might just be pushing it. Then again, we'd still have 2 seasons of Mo at $5mil after that summer and that's 2 seasons where we should be pushing hard for the Cup. So maybe it'd be a risk but certainly one worth looking at.

At some point they'll shift the core around. Mirtle brought up a good point that he feels like at some point they have to roll their expiring contracts or they'll start running out of assets. I wonder if they just don't care and lock up who they want and just back fill with under utilized, low cap hit talent.

 

[ZBBM]

My cap concerns with Barrie aren't about next season, but more projecting further down the line. When Tavares happened I always said that being top-heavy cap wise isn't the end of the world, but throwing in two $8mil+ defencemen on top of all those forwards might just be pushing it. Then again, we'd still have 2 seasons of Mo at $5mil after that summer and that's 2 seasons where we should be pushing hard for the Cup. So maybe it'd be a risk but certainly one worth looking at.

These are reasoned observations and the thing I take from them is that we'd damn well better win the Cup before Rielly's bargain contract expires.  This season, for example.

Or trade one of the Big 4 some time.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

These are reasoned observations and the thing I take from them is that we'd damn well better win the Cup before Rielly's bargain contract expires.  This season, for example.

Or trade one of the Big 4 some time.

Andersen's deal runs for two more seasons. I'm not saying that's our window and we should be trading every future piece that we have to win there... but I'm also not not saying that.

 

[herman]

As stated in the trade thread, I?m down with re-upping Barrie over Muzzin.

Rielly (5?>7.5) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9.6)
Barrie (8 ) - Matthews (11.63) - Nylander (6.9)

Is how it looks in my mind. The left wing on these lines is always going to be a puck-getter: cheap, replaceable. Having a Rielly or a Barrie to jump in on the inevitable rush our top 4 forwards generate is a huge hassle for defenders to contend with. Their partners will be the safer, cheaper options (also replaceable).

 

[Deebo]

As stated in the trade thread, I?m down with re-upping Barrie over Muzzin.

Rielly (5?>7.5) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9.6)
Barrie (8 ) - Matthews (11.63) - Nylander (6.9)

Is how it looks in my mind. The left wing on these lines is always going to be a puck-getter: cheap, replaceable. Having a Rielly or a Barrie to jump in on the inevitable rush our top 4 forwards generate is a huge hassle for defenders to contend with. Their partners will be the safer, cheaper options (also replaceable).

7.5M seems way too low for Rielly.

 

[Nik]

7.5M seems way too low for Rielly.

It's low but I don't think it's way too low. Unless he grows into more of an overall #1 I think he's not going to be seen in the Karlsson/Doughty/Hedman sort of cohort and I think the deals that are probably the better comparables are guys like Carlson or OEL.

 

[herman]

7.5M seems way too low for Rielly.

It's low but I don't think it's way too low. Unless he grows into more of an overall #1 I think he's not going to be seen in the Karlsson/Doughty/Hedman sort of cohort and I think the deals that are probably the better comparables are guys like Carlson or OEL.

Rielly has had a more productive season (72 pts) at a younger age than Barrie, so perhaps he should be 8.5+. When I wrote that, I hadn't checked... I also think Rielly's a 'hometown' discount kind of guy that we would probably go the full 8 years on.

 

[Frank E]

7.5M seems way too low for Rielly.

It's low but I don't think it's way too low. Unless he grows into more of an overall #1 I think he's not going to be seen in the Karlsson/Doughty/Hedman sort of cohort and I think the deals that are probably the better comparables are guys like Carlson or OEL.

Rielly has had a more productive season (72 pts) at a younger age than Barrie, so perhaps he should be 8.5+. When I wrote that, I hadn't checked... I also think Rielly's a 'hometown' discount kind of guy that we would probably go the full 8 years on.

Of course none of us know anything for certain, especially projecting out a couple of years, but I wouldn't blame Rielly if he thought that this current deal was a hometown discount, and it's time to get paid...especially if he puts up another couple of 50-75 point seasons.

 

[Nik]

Of course none of us know anything for certain, especially projecting out a couple of years, but I wouldn't blame Rielly if he thought that this current deal was a hometown discount, and it's time to get paid...especially if he puts up another couple of 50-75 point seasons.

These days, I'm going to hold off on predicting a home town discount for any guy until he actually signs a deal that looks team-friendly.

 

[Deebo]

7.5M seems way too low for Rielly.

It's low but I don't think it's way too low. Unless he grows into more of an overall #1 I think he's not going to be seen in the Karlsson/Doughty/Hedman sort of cohort and I think the deals that are probably the better comparables are guys like Carlson or OEL.

I was thinking it would take ~9.0 for Morgan.

I thought 7.5 is "way too low" relative to 9.0

 

[ZBBM]

Hmmm I wonder if giving the C to Rielly (which I advocate anyway as a way to not have to choose between 34 and 91) wouldn't be such a bad idea in terms of being a little extra tug on the sleeve to try to do his very best to stay here when his next contract comes up.