BlueWhiteBlood
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Bonsixx said:
Nothing says "thanks" like getting asked which team you prefer to be traded to.
Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread
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Nothing says "thanks" like getting asked which team you prefer to be traded to.
J
Jalili
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
And the cap casualties begin.
mr grieves
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With the TBL buyout, played around to see if/how he could fit under the cap. Seems to me it would require buying out Komi and JML (or trading the latter and retaining little salary). And then, you'd have a bit of trouble filling in the lost depth wingers -- the loss of the Scrivens and Frattin deals, retention of chunks of their salaries, plus the addition of Orr at $300k more than a goon replacement part need be paid and Bernier's new deal, do tighten things up some.
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.850m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / David Clarkson ($4.000m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.850m) / Viktor Stalberg ($1.250m)
Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($1.083m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($2.250m)
Andrew Ference ($2.500m) / Cody Franson ($2.750m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Mark Fraser ($0.660m)
Jesse Blacker ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($1.800m)
Jonathan Bernier ($1.850m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buyout: Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m?0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m?0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,854,167; BONUSES: $672,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $18,333
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.850m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / David Clarkson ($4.000m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.850m) / Viktor Stalberg ($1.250m)
Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($1.083m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($2.250m)
Andrew Ference ($2.500m) / Cody Franson ($2.750m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Mark Fraser ($0.660m)
Jesse Blacker ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($1.800m)
Jonathan Bernier ($1.850m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buyout: Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m?0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m?0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,854,167; BONUSES: $672,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $18,333
Champ Kind said:Corn Flake said:
Why not both?
But seriously, why not? I don't think cap room will be an issue, what with a move or two likely forthcoming. It sure would feel similar to the summer the Leafs got both Corson and Roberts, although maybe a 7/8'ths version of that.
I'd pass on both. Cap room might not be an issue right now, but we shouldn't spent it just for the sake of spending. Especially when both players are likely going to be looking at 4-5 year contracts. They are both best suited on a 3rd line and are likely going to be overpaid by about 25%. Guys like Clarkson and Bickell come around every single summer, and probably about 90% of the time the contract they end up signing is loathed by the teams fans.
If you look at all the really good teams in the past few years you'll notice that almost none of them have a player you could consider overpaid among their bottom-6 forwards. I just looked at the past 4 SC finalists and their cap situations and the only player who made over $3mil that I remembered being in his teams bottom-6 was Jarret Stoll in LA. But he was also their top penalty killing forward.
In a cap world you need to save your cap space for your best players. I don't think it's ridiculous to say that both of those forwards are going to get overpaid by $2mil each on July 5th. You sign one or both and that's $2-4mil that you can't throw at Kessel or somebody like Letang if he ever becomes available.
Would anybody have any interest in Cammalleri? Calgary is apparently very likely to trade him this summer. He's definitely overpaid, but there's only one year left on his contract. So there's little risk, depending on what else Nonis does this summer. If we miss out on Lecavalier he'd be my second option to fill the centre spot.
edit: Also with the way Jay Feaster is going it's a trade we'd almost be guaranteed to win.
edit: Also with the way Jay Feaster is going it's a trade we'd almost be guaranteed to win.
Michael Russo (connected Wild blogger) says that Cal Clutterbuck is likely going to be traded this weekend. And because of how close they are to the cap, Minnesota isn't looking for roster players in return. A 2nd round pick and a prospect is the likely asking price. Depending on the prospect of course, that's definitely a deal I'd be looking into. I'd rather trade for Clutterbuck than sign Clarkson.
maplesyrup
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I think the odds are decent Clarkson winds up in Toronto and judging by a lot of comments here, many folk here will be disappointed. - I won't be one of them.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
I won't either, unless he gets an absurd contract that is grossly overpaid, like 5 million plus AAV.
bustaheims
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Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
It really depends on the dollar figures attached to him. At $3M, I think he's a great addition. You can justify having him on the 3rd line (where he realistically belongs - he's really a 2nd/3rd line tweener) at that level. At $5M, not so much.
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Which, unless he's taking a big hometown discount, he totally will.
maplesyrup
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Cost is key, yes. But, if folks can stomach Grabo @ 5.5, they ought to be able to stomach Clarckson at slightly less and yes, I'm aware of the premium on centres.
dappleganger
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Clarkson at 4.5m - 4.75m is fine.
Potential 30 goals, plays with grit, will fight.
He's way better than Bozak for similar money.
I don't want to pay him 5.5m which he could probably get from the highest bidder.
Potential 30 goals, plays with grit, will fight.
He's way better than Bozak for similar money.
I don't want to pay him 5.5m which he could probably get from the highest bidder.
bustaheims
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Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
A) A lot of people can't stomach Grabovski at $5.5M. B) Grabovski has a much better track record than Clarkson to go with playing a premium position.
bustaheims
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dappleganger said:
He has the same potential for 30 goals as Kulemin - that, he got there once, and hasn't really been close in any other NHL season. Really, the only thing he has on Kulemin, in comparison, is that he fights. He also takes a lot more stupid penalties that put his team shorthanded and isn't quite as good a skater.
Also, he doesn't play the same position as Bozak, so, really, it doesn't matter what you feel his abilities are in comparison to Bozak's, as they're not competing for the same spots on the roster. Clarkson cannot replace Bozak because Clarkson does not play down the middle.
BlueWhiteBlood
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dappleganger said:
But does he want to play in Long Island? I think 4-4.5 a year is max for him, at least for what he brings. But I guess I have to side with CTB, somebody will give him more maybe.
maplesyrup
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I'm with BWB. Clarkson @ 4.5 - 4.75 is just fine with me too.
I'd even rather have Horton over Clarkson. At least with Horton you know you're getting a top-6 forward. I have a serious problem overpaying for 3rd liners. Look at every Stanley Cup finalist in the past 5 years and find me more than 2 overpaid players (total) in a teams bottom-6 group of forwards.