WJHC (World Junior Hockey Championships) 2016

[2badknees]

Out of the whole group, I liked Strome, Marner, Point, and Barzal. That's about it.

 

[Bender]

You need to be smart as a player, it's a team game, even if you are annoyed and the refs don't see everything, you don't take that risk at this point of the game. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and be strong for the best of your team.

This just absolves the refs of any responsibility.  Look, they chose to penalize Marner meanwhile off the very next whistle there was way worse stuff done.

That's why you play with margins, especially at such an important part of the game, Canada lost this game due to bad discipline and average goaltending imo.

Sure, at the same time how are you supposed to know when to play with an edge or not if calls aren't consistent? I don't see how we can't be critical of the reffing in that kind of a situation.

And at the end of the day if what you call what Marner did as a punch then you may as well say any physical play should be penalized.

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[CarltonTheBear]

That "punch" happens probably 50 times a game. Come on.

 

[TML fan]

That "punch" happens probably 50 times a game. Come on.

It was a crap call. Irrelevant. Have some discipline.

 

[pnjunction]

TSN running a Virtanen piece after the game lol

 

[Bender]

The team has no composure at all. no discipline, Marner trying to do it all. poor coaching, if there is a plan its not being followed.

I really don't see how anyone could criticize Marner's play today.

because he was the best player on a losing team .. what he did was very kadri-esque with his fancy toe drags. it wont work at the nhl level.  theyll just shove him over.  maybe if everyone was a bit better at the other end it would have been a more succesful tournament.

We may as well criticize Sundin for never winning a cup then. Best player on a losing team.

I'm sorry but I watched every game. I did not see an overly selfish player. What I did see was a team that failed to click all toruney long with players like Strome, Marner and Barzal carrying the team. The goaltending was awful and the defense wasn't great either. I'm not about to criticize Strome for being on a losing team, so again, I really don't see how criticism of Marner being on a losing team is fair, especially today where the game wouldn't even have been close without him.

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[GhostofPotvin29]

That "punch" happens probably 50 times a game. Come on.

It was a crap call. Irrelevant. Have some discipline.

That doesn't make sense.  If it shouldn't be a penalty, why can't you do it?  It's on the refs not to make stupid calls as much as it is on players not to take stupid penalties.  You might as well not body-check then because the refs could find something to call if they wanted to.  You could take that logic to many ridiculous lengths.

 

[Stebro]

You need to be smart as a player, it's a team game, even if you are annoyed and the refs don't see everything, you don't take that risk at this point of the game. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and be strong for the best of your team.

This just absolves the refs of any responsibility.  Look, they chose to penalize Marner meanwhile off the very next whistle there was way worse stuff done.

That's why you play with margins, especially at such an important part of the game, Canada lost this game due to bad discipline and average goaltending imo.

Sure, at the same time how are you supposed to know when to play with an edge or not if calls aren't consistent? I don't see how we can't be critical of the reffing in that kind of a situation.

And at the end of the day if what you call what Marner did as a punch then you may as well say any physical play should be penalized.

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You can absolutely be critical, but refs are refs, and as a player you need to take that into consideration. I thought that the Strome penalty was kind of weak too, imo it looked as if Strome was looking for that pp and "sold it", but it doesn't matter, players need to be smart. It's one thing if you do something like that when you're leading by 3 goals, or in the middle of the game, but you don't risk that late in the 3rd.

 

[Stebro]

That "punch" happens probably 50 times a game. Come on.

It was a crap call. Irrelevant. Have some discipline.

That doesn't make sense.  If it shouldn't be a penalty, why can't you do it?  It's on the refs not to make stupid calls as much as it is on players not to take stupid penalties.  You might as well not body-check then because the refs could find something to call if they wanted to.  You could take that logic to many ridiculous lengths.

There are stupid calls pretty much 90% of all games played, smart players play with margins, and if you want to get the revenge, you are smart and do it while no one is watching

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean, based off the preliminary games, Canada clearly wasn't one of the top-4 teams in this tournament. They gave their best effort against Finland, who are likely the favourites to win the whole thing. It's just upsetting how they lost.

FIN-SWE should be a great game though, as will FIN/SWE vs. the US (likely) in the Finals.

 

[TML fan]

That "punch" happens probably 50 times a game. Come on.

It was a crap call. Irrelevant. Have some discipline.

That doesn't make sense.  If it shouldn't be a penalty, why can't you do it?  It's on the refs not to make stupid calls as much as it is on players not to take stupid penalties.  You might as well not body-check then because the refs could find something to call if they wanted to.  You could take that logic to many ridiculous lengths.

No, it should be a penalty every time but it's not because there would be so many people in the penalty box that you wouldn't be able to actually play the game. It's a garbage call because the Finnish player obviously oversold it and the ref should have picked up on that and didn't.

It's a stupid thing to do because you had a powerplay coming up and there was no reason to do it other than Marner had to prove he wasn't a b---h which is exactly what the Finnish player wanted him to do, and the fact that Marner didn't pick up on that makes him a dumbass.

Lastly, you can't whine about the refs making a horse crap call but not allow people to say Marner was dumb for hitting him. THAT doesn't make any sense. At the end of the day if Marner grows up and just skates away his team has a powerplay and you aren't even able to blame the ref for anything.

You're just trying to absolve Marner of any responsibility.

 

[brothert]

The team has no composure at all. no discipline, Marner trying to do it all. poor coaching, if there is a plan its not being followed.

I really don't see how anyone could criticize Marner's play today.

because he was the best player on a losing team .. what he did was very kadri-esque with his fancy toe drags. it wont work at the nhl level.  theyll just shove him over.  maybe if everyone was a bit better at the other end it would have been a more succesful tournament.

We may as well criticize Sundin for never winning a cup then. Best player on a losing team.

I'm sorry but I watched every game. I did not see an overly selfish player. What I did see was a team that failed to click all toruney long with players like Strome, Marner and Barzal carrying the team. The goaltending was awful and the defense wasn't great either. I'm not about to criticize Strome for being on a losing team, so again, I really don't see how criticism of Marner being on a losing team is fair, especially today where the game wouldn't even have been close without him.

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I'll state it again. he was the best player on the worst canadian team in 18 years. from the midpoint of the second this loss looked inevitable. we also suspected that this result would happen based on the round robin. there wasnt a hint of dominant play.  he has alot of desire and skill. he wanted to own the puck for the whole shift. hes young but you hope that he uses his teammates to open up more ice.

 

[dappleganger]

Marner could have just not punched him.

If he hits him in the chest it's a non-issue.

 

[2badknees]

It's probably been mentioned, but does anyone know out of RUS/SWE/FIN/USA/CAN, which eligible players were not released to play from the NHL?

 

[TML fan]

Marner could have just not punched him.

If he hits him in the chest it's a non-issue.

Or if he doesn't hit him at all?

 

[ZBBM]

Wonder how Cherry will spin this tonight.

 

[2badknees]

Never mind, found a list.

Connor McDavid, Aaron Ekblad, Sam Bennett, Robby Fabbri ,Jared McCann (Canada)
Jack Eichel, Noah Hanifin Dylan Larkin, (USA)
David Pastrnak (Czech Republic)
Nikolaj Ehlers (Denmark)

Basically just wanted to head off the inevitable "our Canadian junior program is no longer elite" media wailing that will likely follow the loss.

 

[Bender]

You need to be smart as a player, it's a team game, even if you are annoyed and the refs don't see everything, you don't take that risk at this point of the game. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and be strong for the best of your team.

This just absolves the refs of any responsibility.  Look, they chose to penalize Marner meanwhile off the very next whistle there was way worse stuff done.

That's why you play with margins, especially at such an important part of the game, Canada lost this game due to bad discipline and average goaltending imo.

Sure, at the same time how are you supposed to know when to play with an edge or not if calls aren't consistent? I don't see how we can't be critical of the reffing in that kind of a situation.

And at the end of the day if what you call what Marner did as a punch then you may as well say any physical play should be penalized.

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You can absolutely be critical, but refs are refs, and as a player you need to take that into consideration. I thought that the Strome penalty was kind of weak too, imo it looked as if Strome was looking for that pp and "sold it", but it doesn't matter, players need to be smart. It's one thing if you do something like that when you're leading by 3 goals, or in the middle of the game, but you don't risk that late in the 3rd.

It was a cross check on the numbers. That's straight up illegal.

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[Stebro]

You need to be smart as a player, it's a team game, even if you are annoyed and the refs don't see everything, you don't take that risk at this point of the game. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and be strong for the best of your team.

This just absolves the refs of any responsibility.  Look, they chose to penalize Marner meanwhile off the very next whistle there was way worse stuff done.

That's why you play with margins, especially at such an important part of the game, Canada lost this game due to bad discipline and average goaltending imo.

Sure, at the same time how are you supposed to know when to play with an edge or not if calls aren't consistent? I don't see how we can't be critical of the reffing in that kind of a situation.

And at the end of the day if what you call what Marner did as a punch then you may as well say any physical play should be penalized.

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You can absolutely be critical, but refs are refs, and as a player you need to take that into consideration. I thought that the Strome penalty was kind of weak too, imo it looked as if Strome was looking for that pp and "sold it", but it doesn't matter, players need to be smart. It's one thing if you do something like that when you're leading by 3 goals, or in the middle of the game, but you don't risk that late in the 3rd.

It was a cross check on the numbers. That's straight up illegal.

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I saw a close shoulder to shoulder hit on Strome, but Strome saw him coming and turned away just before the hit, and it hit him between the back and shoulder.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Think Canada needs to rethink their goaltending selection process next year. Haven't been impressed with any of them.

Problem is Canada just hasn't been generating any good goalies lately. Blackwood had by far the best save percentage for goalies in the OHL this season.

Yeah you can only pick from what you have. There's not much there.

I'm tellin ya, as a long time Barrie Colts fan, the only reason Blackwood has such good numbers and seems so good is because of the awesome defence playing in front of him....as a goalie, he's average at best. I laugh because New Jersey drafted him and they're going on like he's the second coming of Brodeur....more like the second coming of Ken Wreggett.......