Your summer 2012 strategy?

[Corn Flake]

Would anyone consider including Gardiner in a deal to get one of the top two picks?

No.

I would for Yakupov but not anyone else.

Leafs might have a chance at Filip Forsberg without having to drop to the top two. he's the next guy on my list anyway.

 

[ZBBM]

Guys, the whole point of debate is should he have taken straight 1sts for the plauers being discussed.  The "data" we have, FWIW, says that's what the deals were for.  If you don't believe the data, or think we should be arguing about something else, then by gum we can't have a rational disagreement.

Well, let's be real, we have nothing in the way of data. We have something from Burke that doesn't specify the deals or the players involved. If you're going to say "He made a mistake" you need to have slightly more than vague rumours for it to be a fair criticism.

It's more than that, but since you and I don't even agree on the basis of the disagreement, I'll just agree to not bother disagreeing with you any more.

 

[Tigger]

Would anyone consider including Gardiner in a deal to get one of the top two picks?

No.

I would for Yakupov but not anyone else.

Well I don't think Yakupov looks like a generational talent at this point, though I could be wrong. I'd trade to move up I just don't think I'd go near that far, especially like you say if there's something pretty good at their spot already too. One of Forsberg/Dumba/Grigorenko and Gardiner vs. Yakupov?

 

[Kin]

It's more than that, but since you and I don't even agree on the basis of the disagreement, I'll just agree to not bother disagreeing with you any more.

Hey, if you want to come down hard on Brian Burke for not trading magic beans for dragon eggs be my guest. It's just not going to carry much weight.

I mean, disagree with me all you want but it took us pages to even get at what the mistakes were supposed to have been.

 

[ZBBM]

It's more than that, but since you and I don't even agree on the basis of the disagreement, I'll just agree to not bother disagreeing with you any more.

Hey, if you want to come down hard on Brian Burke for not trading magic beans for dragon eggs be my guest. It's just not going to carry much weight.

I mean, disagree with me all you want but it took us pages to even get at what the mistakes were supposed to have been.

Like I said, Nik, it's more than that, but I know you always have to get in the last snide remark, so by all means, waste another post if it makes you feel better.

 

[Kin]

Like I said, Nik, it's more than that, but I know you always have to get in the last snide remark, so by all means, waste another post if it makes you feel better.

"I'm just going to make this post because I know you always need to get the last word in"

Hilarious.

 

[Kin]

Would anyone consider including Gardiner in a deal to get one of the top two picks?

Absolutely. People need to slow down a bit in the way they're hyping Gardiner. It's not that he's not good or that he doesn't have promise but that we've seen a lot in recent years of guys who look good as rookies or have good flashes and then settle down a bit.

 

[Corn Flake]

My summer strategy:

1. open pool
2. use said pool
3. drink
4. repeat steps 1-3.

 

[maplesyrup]

Would anyone consider including Gardiner in a deal to get one of the top two picks?

Absolutely. People need to slow down a bit in the way they're hyping Gardiner. It's not that he's not good or that he doesn't have promise but that we've seen a lot in recent years of guys who look good as rookies or have good flashes and then settle down a bit.

I think you and I might be in the minority here.

 

[Kin]

I think you and I might be in the minority here.

Maybe. But on the other hand that's because we're still in-season and people aren't really engaging in prospect porn right now. If we get closer to draft day and people keep making comparisons to the '04 draft I'm guessing opinion would shift.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Would anyone consider including Gardiner in a deal to get one of the top two picks?

Absolutely. People need to slow down a bit in the way they're hyping Gardiner. It's not that he's not good or that he doesn't have promise but that we've seen a lot in recent years of guys who look good as rookies or have good flashes and then settle down a bit.

Schenn during his rookie campaign seemed untouchable too. Agree.

 

[Tigger]

I think you and I might be in the minority here.

Maybe. But on the other hand that's because we're still in-season and people aren't really engaging in prospect porn right now. If we get closer to draft day and people keep making comparisons to the '04 draft I'm guessing opinion would shift.

Is that because it tastes like Kholodets or because of generational talent though?

 

[Kin]

Is that because it tastes like Kholodets or because of generational talent though?

Well, first of all, kudos on the gross reference.

But honestly, I don't know. I haven't spent a single second watching either guy. More so than just ethnicity I've heard both guys be compared stylistically to their '04 counterparts but Yakupov definitely didn't receive the same sort of hype Ovechkin did.

Although, really, I think we sort of exaggerate that in regards to '04. I remember people saying Ovechkin was the hands down #1 pick but it was nothing compared to the following year.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm not as high on Gardiner as most others, but at the same time, I haven't watched too many games, so I may be missing data.  I'd move him for one of the top two picks this year.

 

[lamajama]

Is anyone leery of picking a Russian as a top pick?

And not because of the stereotype - because of the KHL option
that will always be calling.

I read that Radulov was making $5-$6 mil tax free vs the $900k in Nashville.
Unsure if that is true but thats a crazy difference.

 

[maplesyrup]

I do worry about that. Yes.

 

[lamajama]

I do worry about that. Yes.

So...given the fact that Leaf Nation is kicked in the cujones repeatedly, we actually drop to #3, trade up to #1, pick Nail or whatever his name is, and he promptly signs with the KHL.

Even I as a Leaf fan would laugh at that. 

 

[bustaheims]

Is anyone leery of picking a Russian as a top pick?

And not because of the stereotype - because of the KHL option
that will always be calling.

I read that Radulov was making $5-$6 mil tax free vs the $900k in Nashville.
Unsure if that is true but thats a crazy difference.

Yes and no. I'm much more leery about the guys that are getting drafted out of European leagues than those with Russian backgrounds playing in the OHL/WHL/QMJHL - especially now that there seems to be a real understanding between the two leagues to honour each other's contracts.

And, in reality, the more prominent, high-end Russian players seem to want to play in the NHL. It's the middle tier guys and the guys that really struggle to make it that tend to head back to Russia.

 

[maplesyrup]

Phaneuf for Stastny? Maybe some picks/prospects involved to work it? 

 

[lamajama]

Is anyone leery of picking a Russian as a top pick?

And not because of the stereotype - because of the KHL option
that will always be calling.

I read that Radulov was making $5-$6 mil tax free vs the $900k in Nashville.
Unsure if that is true but thats a crazy difference.

Yes and no. I'm much more leery about the guys that are getting drafted out of European leagues than those with Russian backgrounds playing in the OHL/WHL/QMJHL - especially now that there seems to be a real understanding between the two leagues to honour each other's contracts.

And, in reality, the more prominent, high-end Russian players seem to want to play in the NHL. It's the middle tier guys and the guys that really struggle to make it that tend to head back to Russia.

Radulov came out of the Quebec league and still left - because of the Rookie Cap. That's the issue I think. The KHL could throw scads of money at these 3 just to drag them over to the KHL.