2012-2013 NHL Thread

[bustaheims]

Sure, if you accept the premise that a hockey game is the least likely to be won by the better team of any major sport.

While I'm not sure the gap between the sports is as large as the article leads us to believe, I can certainly see how hockey might have the highest degree of luck factoring into results.

 

[TML fan]

More than baseball?

 

[bustaheims]

More than baseball?

Yeah. Baseball is pretty heavily influenced by strategy - I'd say much moreso than any other sport other than football. There's some luck involved, but a big portion of the success rates come from things like pitch selection, defensive alignment, etc.

 

[Kin]

Sure, if you accept the premise that a hockey game is the least likely to be won by the better team of any major sport.

While I'm not sure the gap between the sports is as large as the article leads us to believe, I can certainly see how hockey might have the highest degree of luck factoring into results.

Yeah, I can see it either way. The relative scarcity of goals + the number of deflections in a game...

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, I can see it either way. The relative scarcity of goals + the number of deflections in a game...

Yeah. Hockey probably has the highest degree of randomness of the 4 major sports, which would lead to it being the most influenced by luck.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I can see it either way. The relative scarcity of goals + the number of deflections in a game...

Yeah. Hockey probably has the highest degree of randomness of the 4 major sports, which would lead to it being the most influenced by luck.

Which again leads me back to the questions this raises. If hockey is the game most influenced by luck and that the longer the competition is the more that effect is negated, should we re-examine either the way the playoffs are constituted or maybe shift the amount of prestige we associate with the cup winner vs. the President's Trophy winner.

 

[Highlander]

I was at the Coyotes vs Oilers game last night and must say was impressed mightily by both teams. Coyotes are a bunch of no names but are well coached, I would love to have their coach in T.O. 
What concerns me is these young Oilers. What a load of talent that has to gel over the next few years, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Y (who scored the winner in overtime) herald the arrival of the newest dynasty in that will be in the NHL.  Makes you wonder as Leaf fans why what we are trying to build here when we will have to face this monster for years to come.
Wonderful hockey game.  Three third row seats between the blue line and the circle for $150.00 Great value for the $$$$$$

 

[L K]

Thomas Vanek has been on fire to start the year for Buffalo.  15 points in 5 games.  He had his second 5 point game of the year tonight against Buffalo.

 

[cw]

Marleau's 9 goals, 14 pts in 6 games is a pretty hot start as well.

Trivia: what team in the NHL has the best PP with 37.5% success rate and second best PK at 96.0% kill rate? Bet most wouldn't have guessed the Islanders.

 

[Peter D.]

Trivia: what team in the NHL has the best PP with 37.5% success rate and second best PK at 96.0% kill rate? Bet most wouldn't have guessed the Islanders.

The Islanders have quietly put together a strong start.

 

[Sudafederov]

Didn't think it deserved its own thread, but get ready for multi-year Budweiser promotion on HNIC

http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2013/01/17/C6870

Not sure if it's Canada specific, but the Super Bowl is going to have some Budweiser hockey related ads (they are running teaser trailers).

 

[Bender]

I was at the Coyotes vs Oilers game last night and must say was impressed mightily by both teams. Coyotes are a bunch of no names but are well coached, I would love to have their coach in T.O. 
What concerns me is these young Oilers. What a load of talent that has to gel over the next few years, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Y (who scored the winner in overtime) herald the arrival of the newest dynasty in that will be in the NHL.  Makes you wonder as Leaf fans why what we are trying to build here when we will have to face this monster for years to come.
Wonderful hockey game.  Three third row seats between the blue line and the circle for $150.00 Great value for the $$$$$$

The dynasty won't exist due to the salary cap imo. They'll probably be able to assemble a good team, but I have a feeling they'll run into a Pittsburgh situation where they'll have to get rid of some of their secondary talent. I don't know why but I'm still skeptical of the Oilers, that they won't be more than the sum of their parts.

 

[bustaheims]

The dynasty won't exist due to the salary cap imo. They'll probably be able to assemble a good team, but I have a feeling they'll run into a Pittsburgh situation where they'll have to get rid of some of their secondary talent. I don't know why but I'm still skeptical of the Oilers, that they won't be more than the sum of their parts.

I kind of feel the same way. They'll be a good team, but I question whether they'll ever actually be good enough to win a Cup.

 

[Kin]

The dynasty won't exist due to the salary cap imo. They'll probably be able to assemble a good team, but I have a feeling they'll run into a Pittsburgh situation where they'll have to get rid of some of their secondary talent.

Not to put too fine a point on it though but Pittsburgh over the last 5 years is probably pretty close to the nearest thing to a dynasty as we're ever going to see again.

 

[TimKerr]

The dynasty won't exist due to the salary cap imo. They'll probably be able to assemble a good team, but I have a feeling they'll run into a Pittsburgh situation where they'll have to get rid of some of their secondary talent.

Not to put too fine a point on it though but Pittsburgh over the last 5 years is probably as close to a dynasty as we're ever going to see again.

Really?
They made it to the Finals and lost and then made it the next year and won.

Just trying to understand if your point here is that short a run of success is all we're going to see as dynasties in the years to come.

 

[Kin]

Really?
They made it to the Finals and lost and then made it the next year and won.

Just trying to understand if your point here is that short a run of success is all we're going to see as dynasties in the years to come.

I revised that statement a bit as per my edit above.

But yeah, I think a championship or two and being consistently competitive over five years is about as close to a dynasty as we're likely to see.

 

[TimKerr]

Really?
They made it to the Finals and lost and then made it the next year and won.

Just trying to understand if your point here is that short a run of success is all we're going to see as dynasties in the years to come.

I revised that statement a bit as per my edit above.

But yeah, I think a championship or two and being consistently competitive over five years is about as close to a dynasty as we're likely to see.

It's an interesting point. If Vancouver wins a Cup , they'll probably be the closest thing to a dynasty as they have consistent regular season success.

But past champions like the Hawks and the Bruins haven't seen much continued success and haven't even sniffed the Cup Finals again. It is looking like the Kings might fall into that as well.

 

[Kin]

It's an interesting point. If Vancouver wins a Cup , they'll probably be the closest thing to a dynasty as they have consistent regular season success.

But past champions like the Hawks and the Bruins haven't seen much continued success and haven't even sniffed the Cup Finals again. It is looking like the Kings might fall into that as well.

I agree. I think the days of the Oilers/Islanders dyanasties are very much dead. Even the Red Wings/Avs/Devils kind from the 90's/early 2000's are probably never going to exist again.

 

[Zee]

I think a team winning back to back championships will be the extent of "dynasty" type teams we see going forward.  It's very difficult to repeat, that would be quite an accomplishment.

 

[Kin]

I think a team winning back to back championships will be the extent of "dynasty" type teams we see going forward.  It's very difficult to repeat, that would be quite an accomplishment.

Yeah, so Pittsburgh coming within a game of that is pretty good.

But getting back to the original point I think that if the cap keeps rising at a decent pace there's really no reason to think that Edmonton can't keep most of their guys around. Even if they can't they have a hell of an opportunity to do what Boston did with Kessel and turn the guy they chose not to keep into more top notch young talent on rookie deals.