2012 NHL Entry Draft

[Bullfrog]

But that's the context it was being discussed in.

Anyways, if the consensus #1 pick was a goalie and the Habs had it, you'd think they should take a goalie?

Yes.

But that's pretty difficult to answer without a discussion on the talent level of the #2 pick.

 

[Kin]

That's artificial.

Indeed, hence the "if". It's a hypothetical.

 

[Bonsixx]

I'm not sure what point I'm missing as I'm just discussing what I think is the wisest strategy for drafting. I'm not discussing what TSN was talking about.

But that's the context it was being discussed in.

Anyways, if the consensus #1 pick was a goalie and the Habs had it, you'd think they should take a goalie?

I know it's not quite the same thing, but I remember the Habs drafting Price was looked upon by some as a dumb move because they had Theodore coming off his incredible year. In hindsight, it was brilliant.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

Look at that, still no Grigorenko or Forsberg.  All of the scouts in the league must be idiots.

Or, you know, the Lightning may not have the exact same need for a #1 centre the Leafs do.

It's been a few more teams than Tampa, or you can consider the evidence subjectively if it suits your position.

 

[Tigger]

Maybe the defenseman are better than Grigs and Forsberg?  Maybe the Leafs scouting staff knows more about talent than people on this board?  Just sayin'

That's the argumentative fallacy known as an appeal to authority. Dicey at the best of times, downright sketchy when the Leafs' scouts have spent the last three years convincing us that they don't so much.

I can't say that I'm not intensely disappointed with the pick.  Riley a decent prospect and all, but he's not a future top pairing guy.  The Leafs have a glut of defensive prospects and are extremely thin when it comes to top 6 centers who can actually fill the #1 role.  The 26 GMs can praise Colborne all they want, but a month or two of scoring at a top line pace surrounding two+ years of scoring like a future 3rd liner doesn't strike me as a future #1 center.  The Leafs need a guy who can fill that role because they sure as hell haven't been able pick up anything good in free agency to this point.

I think you have to consider how the injury affected Joe's abilities and the outside appearance of his development. I think his skating and ability to read the play improved. We'll see how much the wrist was really bugging him next year.

I'm not saying he's going to become that centre, fwiw, just that there's an issue.

 

[Kin]

I know it's not quite the same thing, but I remember the Habs drafting Price was looked upon by some as a dumb move because they had Theodore coming off his incredible year. In hindsight, it was brilliant.

Your memory is off. Theodore's big year was '02. Price was drafted in '05.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

That's artificial.

Indeed, hence the "if". It's a hypothetical.

No, because if you have a number one goaltender, then by definition the goalie isn't a consensus number one.  Whereas, it doesn't matter who is on your roster if it is Crosby's draft year.

 

[TML fan]

Look at that, still no Grigorenko or Forsberg.  All of the scouts in the league must be idiots.

Or, you know, the Lightning may not have the exact same need for a #1 centre the Leafs do.

What qualifies as a #1 centre in your opinion?

 

[Kin]

It's been a few more teams than Tampa, or you can consider the evidence subjectively if it suits your position.

Who all have their own needs. Minnesota, Anaheim and Pittsburgh are also pretty set there.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Great,  now we get to play Grigorenko 6 times a year.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

Great,  now we get to play Grigorenko 6 times a year.

Only three, he won't show up for the other three.

 

[Kin]

No, because if you have a number one goaltender, then by definition the goalie isn't a consensus number one.

I don't think you understood the question.

 

[Bonsixx]

I know it's not quite the same thing, but I remember the Habs drafting Price was looked upon by some as a dumb move because they had Theodore coming off his incredible year. In hindsight, it was brilliant.

Your memory is off. Theodore's big year was '02. Price was drafted in '05.

Hmmm, thought it was closer than that. Still though, I doubt many had really written off Theodore at that point, even if he wasn't going to be the Vezina/Hart winner every year.

I just remember being surprised and saying what a dumb move it was to my Habs fan friends. Then I was proven to be terribly and irrevocably incorrect.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Great,  now we get to play Grigorenko 6 times a year.

Only three, he won't show up for the other three.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

No, because if you have a number one goaltender, then by definition the goalie isn't a consensus number one.

I don't think you understood the question.

I'm afraid it's the other way around.

 

[Sudafederov]

Great,  now we get to play Grigorenko 6 times a year.

Only three, he won't show up for the other three.

He won't need to with our goaltending  ;D

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Good for Radek Faksa!  Howdy partners!

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

Great,  now we get to play Grigorenko 6 times a year.

Only three, he won't show up for the other three.

He won't need to with our goaltending  ;D

Fair comment!

 

[Kin]

I'm afraid it's the other way around.

It really isn't. The "consensus #1" refers to the hypothetical goaltending prospect's draft position.

Get Frog to explain it to you, he got it.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Rightly or wrongly, it's definitely felt underwhelming thus far.