Heroic Shrimp
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bustaheims said:
On the upside, it makes the Raycroft and Kessel trades look better by comparison.
2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
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On the upside, it makes the Raycroft and Kessel trades look better by comparison.
Kin
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Calm down. There's no chance D'Arnaud/Syndergaard are going for Dickey without something pretty effin' big coming back. Either way, the post reporting Syndergaard's name said it was "on the table" which doesn't really amount to much. That could just be nonsense the Mets asked for.
bustaheims
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TimKerr said:
That's part of what makes me think there's a good chance this deal falls through. I just can't see AA giving up that much for a 38 year old pitcher, regardless of how well he pitched last season, and I get the sense from the reports about Dickey trade rumors over the past few weeks that the Mets aren't likely to back down significantly on their demands. I also have my doubts that they'd include significant enough extra pieces to make AA bite on a deal that included both D'Arnaud and Syndergaard.
bustaheims
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To be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, but . . .
http://www.rotoinfo.com/playerupdate/161151/R.A.-Dickey-P/ said:
maplesyrup
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Yeah, I'm not buying rotoinfo all things considering but we'll see. There obviously seems to be some snags here.
maplesyrup
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FWIW, we all know the Jays are as tight as any team anywhere as far as leaks are concerned so we can assume this was leaked on the Met's end. A guy who seem to be in the know as much as anyone is @MartinoNYDN (Mets beat writer for the New York Daily News.) He might be worth a follow at least until this plays out.
Here's his latest;
Andy Martino @MartinoNYDN
Have not heard anything related to a snag, but did hear resolution tonite beginning to sound unlikely. Caveat was added of "you never know"
So yeah, no snags... Complications?
Here's his latest;
Andy Martino @MartinoNYDN
Have not heard anything related to a snag, but did hear resolution tonite beginning to sound unlikely. Caveat was added of "you never know"
So yeah, no snags... Complications?
bustaheims
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The fact that we haven't heard much of anything for truly reliable sources not connected to either teams' media outlet (like Ken Rosenthal or Jon Morosi) since last night makes me question a fair amount of what we've heard so far. Most of the info seems to coming from Mets beat reporters.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
Those guys have been rather silent.
GhostofPotvin29
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Depends how much faith you put in the NY Post guys...
Uhhhh.... :-\
Although I can see it from this perspective too - we won't have Bautista etc. in prime form forever.
Uhhhh.... :-\
Although I can see it from this perspective too - we won't have Bautista etc. in prime form forever.
bustaheims
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Yeah. Not a fan of this deal as rumoured right now. Don't see the long-term value and skeptical about the short-term.
maplesyrup
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Well, I guess this is why you stockpile prospects. I would have liked to have seen a couple of these guys blossom in T.O. but such is life... We have a potent lineup in a division as weak as it's been in years so I guess the timing is right to go all in. Go Jays go!
maplesyrup
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Is Thole the knuckleball catcher?
Are people really that surprised that this is what's in going to take to get last year's Cy Young winner? If the Mets are trading him they're going for a premium offer and I'm fine with that. The Jays are going for it this year, AA sees his window and he's going to take it. The Red Sox are rebuilding, the Yankees aren't as strong, the Orioles can't possibly be so lucky 2 years in a row, and the Rays just traded away a rock in their rotation.
I don't think many Jays fans were made that they traded future perennial all-star Jeff Kent for David Cone in 1992...
I don't think many Jays fans were made that they traded future perennial all-star Jeff Kent for David Cone in 1992...
bustaheims
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Rob L said:
Yeah. That's really his only value in this deal.
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Justin said:
Even with Shield, the Rays still have one of the best rotations in baseball, and they've potentially upgraded their offence with Myers.
As for the trade, what people like me are saying is, well, not all Cy Young award winners are created equal. Dickey will be 38 years old by the time next season rolls around, and, as a knuckleballer, could be wildly unpredictable. He'd be moving from a pitcher-friendly stadium to a batter friendly stadium and to a division that still contains some of the best hitters in baseball (not to mention not having the opposition pitcher in the batting order - the AL in general is tougher on pitchers). Is that worth the team giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects (especially after having already traded away 2 of their top 5 in the deal with Miami)? I'm not convinced.
Justin said:
Well, if the Jays were clearly World Series contenders at the trade deadline when they potentially making this deal, maybe we'd have a different opinion of it, but, without having played a single game in the 2013 season? Very different story.
bustaheims
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Rob L said:
Sure, but when you trade prospects, you need to get the right value back. I'm not convinced the deal as rumoured is, and, from some reports, a number of MLB execs agree with me.
Kin
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One thing to maybe keep in mind is that because AA is notoriously tight-lipped about these things that it stands to reason, especially given who's reporting what, that all of the leaks are coming from the Mets side of things. So when they say that something is on the table, they're probably saying the Mets put it there.
Maybe I'm eventually proven naive but I just don't believe AA would do the deal that most of you are criticizing so heavily. Has he ever made a deal that made people say that he got really bad value?
Maybe I'm eventually proven naive but I just don't believe AA would do the deal that most of you are criticizing so heavily. Has he ever made a deal that made people say that he got really bad value?