2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[maplesyrup]

Shields is almost a decade younger, signed for an extra season and has proven himself capable in the toughest division in baseball.

Yes, fair enough... Honestly, I phrased that rather poorly. I know Shield is worth more but by how much? Like I said, my head hurts... Too much to wrap up here at work before I get out of here... I need to stay away from the internet and grind some stuff out...   

 

[bustaheims]

Yes, fair enough... Honestly, I phrased that rather poorly. I know Shield is worth more but by how much? Like I said, my head hurts... Too much to wrap up here at work before I get out of here... I need to stay away from the internet and grind some stuff out... 

Team needs come into play as well. The Royals needed Shields much more than the Jays need Dickey.

 

[Derk]

Not too keen on giving up so much youth for a guy who is 38, even if he just came off a Cy Young. If they were contenders who were one player away, I might be more amenable, but right now, they still haven't proven anything with the team they have. Pass, for now.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If it's D'Arnaud this deal is a big fail. I'd change my tune if we win a WS but at the outset (as there's no lock on the WS) it'd be a big win for the Mets.

Edit: Also, never realized his numbers were so "meh". He's 38 and has never really had a "great" season until this past year. Yikes!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good. I'm not exactly enamoured with the idea of the Jays giving up quality assets for a 38 year old knuckleballer who has been less than impressive when he's pitched for AL teams. Yeah, he won the Cy Young this past season and has pitched well as a Met, but, I'm still not a fan.

If it's D'Arnaud this deal is a big fail. I'd change my tune if we win a WS but at the outset (as there's no lock on the WS) it'd be a big win for the Mets.

Edit: Also, never realized his numbers were so "meh". He's 38 and has never really had a "great" season until this past year. Yikes!

But the thing is he never really started trying to use his knuckleball until sometime in 2006, and it took some time for him to "master" how to throw it as effectively as he does.  The whole reason he started experimenting with the pitch was because of his lack of success.  So yeah his stats in the AL aren't good, but he was a completely different pitcher then.

 

[Andy007]

To me, that seems like a slight overpayment. Maybe if it were expanded I could swallow that more easily.

Edit: Then again, maybe that's what Dickey is worth... I don't know... No sense analyzing a deal that hasn't happened yet.

Cy Young winners don't come cheap. Honestly, JPA and Gose doesn't sound to me like an overpayment at all, considering there is an extension reached, of course.

 

[maplesyrup]

Rosenthal:

Sources: D'Arnaud very much in play in Dickey talks between #BlueJays and #Mets. Deal would be bigger, multiple pieces going both ways.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

MLB columnist from Yahoo! Sports:

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan

Source: Mets and Blue Jays on the verge of deal that would send R.A. Dickey to Toronto, Travis D'Arnaud to Mets. Teams looking at medicals.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan

There would be more players involved in the trade than Dickey and D'Arnaud. They are the principals.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan

For those unfamiliar with Travis D'Arnaud, he's the best catching prospect in the minor leagues. Big bat/arm, superb makeup. Future star.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan

In other words, if this deal gets done, the Blue Jays are getting back a lot more than just R.A. Dickey on a one-year deal.

 

[skippy]

This is not good........

 

[maplesyrup]

Assuming this happens and we don't lose a starter, I might actually make Romero my opening day starter and let RAD, JJ, Morrow, and Buehrle(sp?) draw straws for the rest of the order. I think that might give Romero a much needed shot in the arm and with the other 4, I really don't think Gibbons could make a poor choice as all of them could really be a #1.

As far as the actual potential trade is concerned, I'm okay with moving TDA as long as long as the rest of the deal balances out. I just really don't want the two Lansing pitchers to be touched. I hope we get some details today.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'll also say that I'm more than a tad nervous about RAD not resigning.

 

[Corn Flake]

There is either a really bad leak on the Mets side of this talk (wouldn't surprise me, really) or this is all mythical since AA is such a close vest dealer all this leaking makes me think it's either a little or really far off the mark.

I'm going to sit back and wait to see what happens.  Seems like way too big a risk for one year of Dickey by dealing your best position prospect.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm going to sit back and wait to see what happens.  Seems like way too big a risk for one year of Dickey by dealing your best position prospect.

Well that's why the latest rumours have the deal being bigger than just D'Arnaud for Dickey.

 

[sucka]

If we do get Dickie and have Johnson...I say AA should go get Wang as well.

 

[bustaheims]

As much as I dislike the idea of moving D'Arnaud in a deal for Dickey, adding him to a rotation that already includes Johnson, Morrow, Buerhle and Romero is intriguing and gives the Jays a starting five that would have to be considered among the best in baseball when they're all on their game.

 

[sucka]

TDA also has had his knee injured which isn't a good thing for catchers.  Maybe AA knows something about it? Also, not sold on Gose...he hasn't shown himself to be anything much more than a track and field star.  If AA is throwing in all his chips next year, I'd take Rasmus over Gose.  I still think Rasmus has the potential to put it together and breakout for us.

 

[maplesyrup]

As much as I dislike the idea of moving D'Arnaud in a deal for Dickey, adding him to a rotation that already includes Johnson, Morrow, Buerhle and Romero is intriguing and gives the Jays a starting five that would have to be considered among the best in baseball when they're all on their game.

I remember a while back you and I had a conversation about what the Jays needed to add to the rotation. I said a #2 and a #4 and you disagreed and said a #1. Crazy that that it just might wind up being arguably 3 guys capable of being a #1. Add that to Morrow and Romero (two other guys with that sort of upside) and frankly, it's just ridiculous how good the rotation could be. 

 

[bustaheims]

TDA also has had his knee injured which isn't a good thing for catchers.  Maybe AA knows something about it? Also, not sold on Gose...he hasn't shown himself to be anything much more than a track and field star.  If AA is throwing in all his chips next year, I'd take Rasmus over Gose.  I still think Rasmus has the potential to put it together and breakout for us.

Sure, but TDA's bat is good enough that, if the knee injury turns out to be a long-term issues, he could easily transition to being a very good first baseman. He's not one of the top prospects in all of baseball just because he's a catcher.

 

[bustaheims]

I remember a while back you and I had a conversation about what the Jays needed to add to the rotation. I said a #2 and a #4 and you disagreed and said a #1. Crazy that that it just might wind up being arguably 3 guys capable of being a #1. Add that to Morrow and Romero (two other guys with that sort of upside) and frankly, it's just ridiculous how good the rotation could be.

The thought that the Jays might start the season with Romero as the #5 starter was really unfathomable a few months ago.

 

[Kin]

If D'Arnaud is in the mix I have to assume that it's more complicated than just Dickey, in which case I think you have to hold off judgment until you see the bulk of it. If, say, Ike Davis could be thrown into the mix...