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2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Here's an interesting stat..Spezza leads the team in even strength assists per 60 minutes and is second in even strength points per 60. 5th in points per 60, Shore is 19th. He's only played 10 games so yeah small sample but why is he not playing more? I get Shore has been better in faceoffs but do we really need a faceoff specialist, because that's all he seems to be kept for. Matthews is very capable of winning faceoffs and has a better percentage then Shore.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Here's an interesting stat..Spezza leads the team in even strength assists per 60 minutes and is second in even strength points per 60. 5th in points per 60, Shore is 19th. He's only played 10 games so yeah small sample but why is he not playing more? I get Shore has been better in faceoffs but do we really need a faceoff specialist, because that's all he seems to be kept for. Matthews is very capable of winning faceoffs and has a better percentage then Shore.
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Spezza once cut in front of Babcock at Timmys.
 
Zee said:
Guilt Trip said:
Here's an interesting stat..Spezza leads the team in even strength assists per 60 minutes and is second in even strength points per 60. 5th in points per 60, Shore is 19th. He's only played 10 games so yeah small sample but why is he not playing more? I get Shore has been better in faceoffs but do we really need a faceoff specialist, because that's all he seems to be kept for. Matthews is very capable of winning faceoffs and has a better percentage then Shore.
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Spezza once cut in front of Babcock at Timmys.
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Hahaha...Probably.
 
https://twitter.com/petbugs13/status/1195031113200103425

Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
 
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/11/14/kyle-dubas-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs-team-identity/

How have you felt the team has dealt with the early adversity?

Dubas: I think we?ve talked about it as a group right from the start of training camp. You always want to know how your group and how your organization is going to react when things don?t go perfectly, especially with the fact that it is a young team and we still have to learn how to go through this. I think there are teams that handle it very well and they are usually teams that have got a lot of collective experience together.

Any time you go through a stretch where you maybe miss your expectations by a little bit, or maybe pucks aren?t going in, or you aren?t winning as many games as you think you should, it gives you a great opportunity as a group to examine where you are at and how you can be better.

That?s all I really look for. I don?t get too up and down by any stretch ? not too high when we won three games last week or not too low right now. We show great stretches throughout where we play great hockey. It?s just becoming a team that does that more and more often.
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herman said:
Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
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Screw-it, I'm getting on board the Holl-aboard! train.

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie
 
Bullfrog said:
herman said:
Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
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Screw-it, I'm getting on board the Holl-aboard! train.

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie
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I endorse Bullfrog on this lineup. Rielly needs the help, Barrie needs someone who can close gaps.
 
Highlander said:
Bullfrog said:
herman said:
Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
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Screw-it, I'm getting on board the Holl-aboard! train.

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie
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I endorse Bullfrog on this lineup. Rielly needs the help, Barrie needs someone who can close gaps.
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Well whatever Babs does or doesn't do, the Rielly-CC pairing is not working.
 
Bullfrog said:
herman said:
Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
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Screw-it, I'm getting on board the Holl-aboard! train.

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie
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Rielly needs to play less overall.  Ceci needs to play much less.  I'm kind of ok with this but the lack of mobility on that 2nd pairing scares the hell of out me. 
 
It's kind of funny looking back at the common whipping boys over the forums over the last few years. Komorov, Martin, Polak, Hainsey, Zaitsev, Brown, and of course, who could forget ol' useless Lou, who was old and behind the times.

I'm starting to miss the compete factor that all of these guys brought, cause apart from Tavares, Marner, Freddie and Reilly, it's completely missing from this group.

I hate to say it, and it's obviously a personal observation, but I'm finding myself starting to dislike the team. It has nothing to do with success; I've been a diehard booster going back past the brophy era, but this group of players.... I can't put my finger on it. I could care less if they win or lose, because I don't get the opinion that they particularly care either.
 
I'm surprised Babcock hasn't swapped Barrie and Ceci yet.  Muzzin+Ceci seems like a better defensive pairing, let Reilly and Barrie feast on lesser competition.
 
AvroArrow said:
I'm surprised Babcock hasn't swapped Barrie and Ceci yet.  Muzzin+Ceci seems like a better defensive pairing, let Reilly and Barrie feast on lesser competition.
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I would like to see the Leafs try this.
 
L K said:
Bullfrog said:
herman said:
Season is still technically early. The Leafs basically lost their top line of forwards from last season to injury/circumstantial ineffectiveness/regression to start the year.

Tavares is bouncing back already; not sure how Marner will look post-high ankle sprain but probably not great for the month or two after his return. Tavares can prop him up to a degree (certainly better than Bozak could that first year Marner missed time with the ankle injury).

Might be time to just put Holl with Muzzin for a bit and let Barrie dummy the lower lineup for a week or two, because we need to get his confidence going.
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Screw-it, I'm getting on board the Holl-aboard! train.

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie
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Rielly needs to play less overall.  Ceci needs to play much less.  I'm kind of ok with this but the lack of mobility on that 2nd pairing scares the hell of out me.
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I don't know that Ceci lacks mobility. He lacks decision making ability.
 
Frycer14 said:
It's kind of funny looking back at the common whipping boys over the forums over the last few years. Komorov, Martin, Polak, Hainsey, Zaitsev, Brown, and of course, who could forget ol' useless Lou, who was old and behind the times.

I'm starting to miss the compete factor that all of these guys brought, cause apart from Tavares, Marner, Freddie and Reilly, it's completely missing from this group.

I hate to say it, and it's obviously a personal observation, but I'm finding myself starting to dislike the team. It has nothing to do with success; I've been a diehard booster going back past the brophy era, but this group of players.... I can't put my finger on it. I could care less if they win or lose, because I don't get the opinion that they particularly care either.
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Babcock has been alluding to the compete factor frequently. 

Those guys you mention may have had the compete factor but they didn?t bring in much in terms of talent.  The only player I would miss from that group would be Hainsey and only for the veteran leadership factor (for Reilly).  Other than that, the group we have now supersedes anything we?ve had before when it comes to the skills department.

The Leafs lack some ?grit? which Komarov, Martin, & Polak brought, but I?m certain that there is a way for this current team to find themselves on a winning track.  It?s only a matter of time. 
 
Kerfoot out indefinitely after surgery.

https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-maple-leafs-alexander-kerfoot-facial-fractures-out-indefinitely-1.1398302
 
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