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2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

I like both but we won?t be carrying both when Dermott returns. If we are keeping Sandin, Holl is the only one we can fit anyway.

If Holl keeps being acceptable for PK and continues to make plays and skate out of trouble, I?m okay sending Marincin down to anchor Liljegren?s growth.
 
herman said:
I like both but we won?t be carrying both when Dermott returns. If we are keeping Sandin, Holl is the only one we can fit anyway.

If Holl keeps being acceptable for PK and continues to make plays and skate out of trouble, I?m okay sending Marincin down to anchor Liljegren?s growth.
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I'm holding out hope that one month of play will be enough for Dubas to recognize his mistake with Ceci and at that same time Winnipeg will get confirmation that Byfuglien won't be playing this season so we can then dump Ceci on them.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
I like both but we won?t be carrying both when Dermott returns. If we are keeping Sandin, Holl is the only one we can fit anyway.

If Holl keeps being acceptable for PK and continues to make plays and skate out of trouble, I?m okay sending Marincin down to anchor Liljegren?s growth.
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I'm holding out hope that one month of play will be enough for Dubas to recognize his mistake with Ceci and at that same time Winnipeg will get confirmation that Byfuglien won't be playing this season so we can then dump Ceci on them.
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Throw in Mitch and his contract as well. He has been terrible so far.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
I like both but we won?t be carrying both when Dermott returns. If we are keeping Sandin, Holl is the only one we can fit anyway.

If Holl keeps being acceptable for PK and continues to make plays and skate out of trouble, I?m okay sending Marincin down to anchor Liljegren?s growth.
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I'm holding out hope that one month of play will be enough for Dubas to recognize his mistake with Ceci and at that same time Winnipeg will get confirmation that Byfuglien won't be playing this season so we can then dump Ceci on them.
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It's very contingent on Holl/Marincin/Dermott/Sandin being capable of filling the vacated niche or finding a second dance partner. I don't really want any of Winnipeg's options in return other than a draft pick.
 
herman said:
Highlander said:
Throw in Mitch and his contract as well. He has been terrible so far.
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A lot of people were saying this about Nylander last December.
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True dat Herminator, but Marner didn't miss camp and is paid a lot more than Nylander who seems to be giving a s__t.  Marner has turned into a give away machine and he just has to do better...And I know he will.  Just frustrated with a few of them
 
herman said:
Guess who is the only Leaf to record points in every game this season so far
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CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
OK.  I don't think it quite rises to that level because we don't have a good mix of skillsets back there.  Outside of Muzzin, who's been pretty inconsistent, our best players are too much alike (Rielly, Dermott, now Barrie).  Maybe Sandin will continue to impress and help change that.
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Just to lay it out there, this is what those Cup champs used in the playoffs:

17-18 Caps
Orlov-Niskanen
Kempny-Carlson
Orpik-Djoos

I was a big fan of those top-3, especially since this was before Niskanen's down year. But I think that group is pretty darn comparable to Rielly-Barrie-Muzzin, we might arguably even have a slight advantage. Kempny is certainly a defenceman who exists, but I can't really vouch for him aside from that. Their bottom pairing was out of the NHL a year later, Orpik to retirement and Djoos to the AHL.

16-17 Penguins
Dumoulin-Hainsey
Cole-Schultz
Daley-Maatta

This is arguably the worst defence group to ever win a Cup.

15-16 Penguins
Dumoulin-Letang
Cole-Schultz
Lovejoy-Maatta

This one had Letang, which is a pretty huge bonus. But even still Letang and Schultz are both very risk-adverse defencemen who can give up as much as they get. Then they have Dumoulin who is more of an all-around guy. So again a top-3 that sounds/feels pretty similar to ours. Is the rest of their D better than ours because they don't have similar "skillsets" (i.e. they aren't skilled)?
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I forgot that they won it once w/o Letang.

OK, you're right.  But I'm still not convinced this bunch has what it takes.
 
Highlander said:
herman said:
Highlander said:
Throw in Mitch and his contract as well. He has been terrible so far.
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A lot of people were saying this about Nylander last December.
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True dat Herminator, but Marner didn't miss camp and is paid a lot more than Nylander who seems to be giving a s__t.  Marner has turned into a give away machine and he just has to do better...And I know he will.  Just frustrated with a few of them
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Yeah I know you don't really mean you want to trade him.

It's a new look to the system (new assistants and new inputs) and lots of new faces and idiosyncracies to feel out. We could see it on full display last night up against a team that knows what they're doing and has done it together for a couple of years now: they made passes, we missed assignments. Everyone is still maybe thinking a little bit more than playing.
 
herman said:
Highlander said:
herman said:
Highlander said:
Throw in Mitch and his contract as well. He has been terrible so far.
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A lot of people were saying this about Nylander last December.
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True dat Herminator, but Marner didn't miss camp and is paid a lot more than Nylander who seems to be giving a s__t.  Marner has turned into a give away machine and he just has to do better...And I know he will.  Just frustrated with a few of them
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Yeah I know you don't really mean you want to trade him.

It's a new look to the system (new assistants and new inputs) and lots of new faces and idiosyncracies to feel out. We could see it on full display last night up against a team that knows what they're doing and has done it together for a couple of years now: they made passes, we missed assignments. Everyone is still maybe thinking a little bit more than playing.
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Your incessant positive attitude and even-keeled thinking is driving me nuts.
 
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/10/14/20912161/toronto-maple-leafs-analysis-tavares-marner-matthews-nylander-top-six

I saw this in a tweet, but I forgot who it was: Tavares is likely sleep-deprived (thanks, Jace), and perhaps he did a lot more of the playdriving than Marner's agent would like to admit. Marner is carrying the new burden of his contract, and while I don't have anything concrete to back it up, for some reason I tend to remember a lot of players signing big deals and taking awhile to get up to speed and meet elevated expectations, if at all (granted, a lot of those are lesser talents who cashed in on big years a la Clarkson and Lucic and Eriksson etc.).

That said, these two are elite talents, some of the biggest hockey nerds on the ice, and didn't just up and forget how to play. They'll be fine.

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander: pew pew pew
Their defensive numbers are what's impressive to me this season. For long stretches of the game, the other line matched against them does not have the puck, like at all.

EDIT: the charts on xG are currently systematically inaccurate due to the data coming from NHL show location trackers
 
herman said:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/10/14/20912161/toronto-maple-leafs-analysis-tavares-marner-matthews-nylander-top-six

I saw this in a tweet, but I forgot who it was: Tavares is likely sleep-deprived (thanks, Jace), and perhaps he did a lot more of the playdriving than Marner's agent would like to admit. Marner is carrying the new burden of his contract, and while I don't have anything concrete to back it up, for some reason I tend to remember a lot of players signing big deals and taking awhile to get up to speed and meet elevated expectations, if at all (granted, a lot of those are lesser talents who cashed in on big years a la Clarkson and Lucic and Eriksson etc.).

That said, these two are elite talents, some of the biggest hockey nerds on the ice, and didn't just up and forget how to play. They'll be fine.

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander: pew pew pew
Their defensive numbers are what's impressive to me this season. For long stretches of the game, the other line matched against them does not have the puck, like at all.

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I tend to remember that too.  There was this one guy, just last year ... I can almost picture him ....  :P :P :P ;) ;) :P :P :( :(
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I tend to remember that too.  There was this one guy, just last year ... I can almost picture him ....  :P :P :P ;) ;) :P :P :( :(
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He's not a lesser talent, now is he?
 
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/10/15/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-promising-signs-from-the-bottom-six/

I like these write ups
 
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