Guilt Trip
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It seems a lot, but not. Quality goalie though. I think Freddie can get a first only because of the million dollar price tag. So what prospect are we giving up?CarltonTheBear said:
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Guilt Trip
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No, pretty much the same thing. It was a late, 30th 1st round pick(Sam Steel) and a 2nd#50 (Maxime Comtois) in the draft after. Keep in mind, Freddie was 26 at the time.Bender said:
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TJ Brodie could be a nice option playing with Muzzin as a shutdown pair. That'd leave Holl most likely playing with Rielly. I'm thinking the bottom pair are Liljegren and Sandin. :-\
Dermott moved in a trade.
Dermott moved in a trade.
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Dappleganger said:
I've heard Gudas thrown around as a potential 3rd pair right guy if we aren't sure Lilejegren is ready. I agree that Dermott most likely is on the outs with Rielly, Muzzin and Sandin ahead on the left. There's also the expansion draft to think of and Leafs can't protect so many defencemen.
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Holl and Muzzin have been very good together. I think they need a partner for Rielly, unless he gets traded, so anyone coming in will play with him first. Gudas isn't that guy, but Brodie would be an option. Don't know if he's willing to come to Toronto though. Thing is, whatever is coming in means the end of Johnsson or Kerfoot or both. I also think the Leafs shouldn't get rid of Dermott unless we have a return we can't refuse. I don't think he's getting a huge raise. Leafs only have to qualify him at $874,125 and he has no arb rights, so he accepts or sits. I think he has way to much talent to give up on. He's only 24 this Dec. If he can play the right side, even better. Even if they go with Liljegren or Lehtonen, Dermott could be your 7th. You can never have enough D men. Tampa used 9 in the playoffs.Dappleganger said:
I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Thornton and Spezza who can play the wing. Also wouldn't mind seeing Simmonds on the 4th line. Dubas has lots of options but we'll see what the market costs.
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Guilt Trip said:
I have Kerfoot leaving. Hopefully Johnsson can stay and factor into the top six.
I'm not giving up on Dermott but hopefully he has value and can bring something nice back in a trade. I think the Leafs have to move one of their Left D to make room for a RD. Dermott is my guy.
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If the Leafs are worried about the expansion draft, they won't sign any D men because they can only protect 3..Muzz, Rielly, Holl are it for now. Sign a Brodie or Gudas and Holl won't be protected anymore. There's a very low chance a UFA is going to come here without protection against the expansion draft so they may only go after 1 D man.Zee said:
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Dermott by himself isn't getting you much in a trade. If I have the choice, I'm keeping Kerfoot over Johnsson all day, every day. Same money, harder position. However if they go after and get AP, I think both are gone.Dappleganger said:
This might be a semi-controversial take but I don't think we should act like Sandin as the 3LD is something that's set in stone (granted I've done it myself in the past). If the Leafs keep Dermott I think the odds are it'll be him and Lehtonen on the bottom pairing with one of them of course playing the right side. I think there's a number of scenarios where he actually starts the season with the Marlies.
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If we're following the Tampa model (and St. Louis too), they have two really really good defensemen who can carry a partner to neutral or even good level.
Tampa had Hedman and McDonagh, dragging along the likes of Bogosian, Schenn, and sheltering Shattenkirk.
St. Louis has Pietrangelo and Parayko/Bouwmeester, and I have no idea who else they run other than Faulk because of lolz.
The Leafs have Muzzin who can do that, and at lower competition currently, Dermott. Sandin and Liljegren project to be of a similar mold. Rielly really cannot elevate a partner defensively because he's basically a forward who can skate backwards good. This is hard, but we will need to DeRozan Mo (and Tessa
) at some point.
I keep not noticing that we're in the summer thread instead of the next season thread.
Tampa had Hedman and McDonagh, dragging along the likes of Bogosian, Schenn, and sheltering Shattenkirk.
St. Louis has Pietrangelo and Parayko/Bouwmeester, and I have no idea who else they run other than Faulk because of lolz.
The Leafs have Muzzin who can do that, and at lower competition currently, Dermott. Sandin and Liljegren project to be of a similar mold. Rielly really cannot elevate a partner defensively because he's basically a forward who can skate backwards good. This is hard, but we will need to DeRozan Mo (and Tessa
) at some point.I keep not noticing that we're in the summer thread instead of the next season thread.
Guilt Trip said:
For the expansion draft protection, If you sign an FA defender:
Locks:
F - Tavares, Marner, Matthews and Nylander
D - Rielly, Muzzin, FA
So now you can either protect 3 more forwards or 1 more D.
If they could add 4th D that was worth protecting (or Dermott if he stays and takes a step forward), I don't think the risk of losing Holl or one of the remaining forwards (since Hyman is a UFA) should stop them.
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I think you're right and I'd be ok with that scenario. I think most of us pencil Sandin in because Dermott isn't signed and Lehtonen is unknown. Lehtonen isn't coming over here to play on the Marlies and the Leafs didn't sign him to play there either. Dermott will have to sign for what the Leafs want. He has no choice other then to sit. I don't see the Leafs going after Gudas. I think he'll cost too much for a 3rd pairing guy.CarltonTheBear said:
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And that was my point in the response. The expansion draft will have zero effect on if the Leafs sign a UFA or not.Deebo said:
Guilt Trip said:
If they manage to sign Pietrangelo, there's no chance for Gudas here. If they go for Brodie instead you miighhtt be able to squeeze Gudas in. If Brodie is a no-go then I think DeMelo + Gudas would still be a good haul.
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I think DeMelo could be good fit with Rielly and Goudas could be a 2nd/3rd pairing guy with Sandin, Lehtonen or Dermott. I don't see either getting a huge amount but I'd bet the Leafs will offer longer terms to get the cap hit low.CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip said:
Sorry, I thought you were saying since they could only protect 3 so it would be Rielly, Muzzin + acquired D so they would only go after 1.
I was saying they can protect 4 D, because there are only 4 forwards they absolutely need to protect.
If Dermott is moved and they protect 4D, they could add 2 D because really losing Holl isn't a big deal.
And the risk losing one of Johnsson or Kerfoot, should they still be here, shouldn't stop the team from adding to the D.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Considering how terribly awful Sandin (and Liljegren) were defensively last year, I don't think that's a controversial take at all. I'm also hopeful (maybe foolishly) that they will improve dramatically with Keefe around from the beginning of the year and both of them maturing, with the knowledge they're playing on the big club this year.