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2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

CarltonTheBear said:
$1mil jump, plus also no more $1.2mil retained salary on Kessel (it's crazy how much that handcuffed us the past few years).

Lou would've just paid Marleau more if we didn't retain lmao
 
herman said:
CarltonTheBear said:
$1mil jump, plus also no more $1.2mil retained salary on Kessel (it's crazy how much that handcuffed us the past few years).

Lou would've just paid Marleau more if we didn't retain lmao

I haven?t really done a ?retrospect? yet on Lou?s time here but it seems to be mostly misses. The Andersen trade and contract were fine but I can?t seem to think of anything else he did that helped the team. He did inflict some damage.

Edit: he did pull off the Phaneuf trade without retaining any salary. So big kudos there.
 
Joe S. said:
I haven?t really done a ?retrospect? yet on Lou?s time here but it seems to be mostly misses. The Andersen trade and contract were fine but I can?t seem to think of anything else he did that helped the team. He did inflict some damage.

The Kadri and Rielly deals probably standout positively, not that they had thaaat much of a statistical leg to push for more; certainly nothing like Matthews/Marner level. If he extended Nylander early to... let's say 8x5M, Lou would be lauded a hero (and Nylander's agent an idiot).

Aside from the hockey moves (many of which were middling to bad), he did bring in a (veneer of) respectability to a moribund franchise at least in the eyes of the rest of the hockey sphere, and established some standards that the front office has since built off of (or grew out of).

I wonder if they still use that red ethernet cable for 'encrypted' emails.
 
Joe S. said:
I haven?t really done a ?retrospect? yet on Lou?s time here but it seems to be mostly misses. The Andersen trade and contract were fine but I can?t seem to think of anything else he did that helped the team. He did inflict some damage.

Edit: he did pull off the Phaneuf trade without retaining any salary. So big kudos there.

His additions largely weren't great (especially bigger UFA signings). His subtractions were much better.
 
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/3/7/17084810/the-complete-reign-of-lou-lamoriello-so-far-toronto-maple-leafs-gm-trades-drafts-signings

A little dated but I?d agree with Herman about the kadri and Rielly extensions, I?d forgotten about those.

But reading through that it was a whole lot of meh. I guess the standout is the Marleau signing. I remember being excited at the time, but I clearly didn?t think forward on that one. 3 years for Marleau was nuts.
 
Zee said:
I was told the Leafs were terrible and would drop to a wild card spot but instead they're in 2nd in the division and Tampa is in the wild card spot.  Is Tampa terrible?  Asking for a friend.

For one of the few times this season, the Leafs currently are projected to face someone other than Tampa in the first round.  How do we feel about another Boston matchup ?
 
Honestly it doesn?t matter who they face. No team in the east is going to be an easy opponent. Any one of 1-8 are all legit cup contenders. The only one I think is a bit of a meh are the rangers.

So Tampa, Boston, Florida, it doesn?t matter. They have to be able to beat any one of them. It?s just crazy that one of those 4 will be out in the first round.
 
Joe S. said:
Honestly it doesn?t matter who they face. No team in the east is going to be an easy opponent. Any one of 1-8 are all legit cup contenders. The only one I think is a bit of a meh are the rangers.

So Tampa, Boston, Florida, it doesn?t matter. They have to be able to beat any one of them. It?s just crazy that one of those 4 will be out in the first round.

Completely agree on the Rangers.

 
Dappleganger said:
Joe S. said:
Honestly it doesn?t matter who they face. No team in the east is going to be an easy opponent. Any one of 1-8 are all legit cup contenders. The only one I think is a bit of a meh are the rangers.

So Tampa, Boston, Florida, it doesn?t matter. They have to be able to beat any one of them. It?s just crazy that one of those 4 will be out in the first round.

Completely agree on the Rangers.

And even then would you definitely bet against them if Shesterkin is playing well?
 
Dappleganger said:
Joe S. said:
Honestly it doesn?t matter who they face. No team in the east is going to be an easy opponent. Any one of 1-8 are all legit cup contenders. The only one I think is a bit of a meh are the rangers.

So Tampa, Boston, Florida, it doesn?t matter. They have to be able to beat any one of them. It?s just crazy that one of those 4 will be out in the first round.

Completely agree on the Rangers.

Rangers might be the weakest team but they also have arguably the single biggest x-factor in a 7-game series.
 
RedLeaf said:
It may have been pure luck but Lou appeared to be a better scout of goaltenders.

I don't know if that's true. Lou took advantage of the position Anaheim was in leading up to the expansion draft, but, all he really did was identify the only real somewhat established NHL goalie that really needed to be trade by their team and made a move. He got somewhat lucky that McElhinney was put on waivers in 16/17, because the previous backup goalies he was comfortable with were Sparks and Enroth.
 
bustaheims said:
RedLeaf said:
It may have been pure luck but Lou appeared to be a better scout of goaltenders.

I don't know if that's true. Lou took advantage of the position Anaheim was in leading up to the expansion draft, but, all he really did was identify the only real somewhat established NHL goalie that really needed to be trade by their team and made a move. He got somewhat lucky that McElhinney was put on waivers in 16/17, because the previous backup goalies he was comfortable with were Sparks and Enroth.

The Andersen move is a tricky one to look back at in retrospect because even if we want to say Lou absolutely nailed the scouting/identifiying of Andersen I think it's still fair to wonder if paying the pretty hefty price (a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder) was worth it for a team that maybe wasn't quite ready to jump out of the rebuilding stage as early as that move forced us to.
 
Nik said:
Dappleganger said:
Joe S. said:
Honestly it doesn?t matter who they face. No team in the east is going to be an easy opponent. Any one of 1-8 are all legit cup contenders. The only one I think is a bit of a meh are the rangers.

So Tampa, Boston, Florida, it doesn?t matter. They have to be able to beat any one of them. It?s just crazy that one of those 4 will be out in the first round.

Completely agree on the Rangers.

And even then would you definitely bet against them if Shesterkin is playing well?

Yeah agreed. Just saying that the only team you can make any kind of argument at being somewhat weaker than the others is the rangers.

However, seeing any of 1-8 in the finals wouldn?t surprise me at all.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
The Andersen move is a tricky one to look back at in retrospect because even if we want to say Lou absolutely nailed the scouting/identifiying of Andersen I think it's still fair to wonder if paying the pretty hefty price (a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder) was worth it for a team that maybe wasn't quite ready to jump out of the rebuilding stage as early as that move forced us to.

Yup, there was no rush to get a goalie and he gave up 2 top 50 picks to get it done.

That probably led to dealing more picks for 4th line rentals and keeping our "own rentals" add in the 1st that had be dealt to get out of Marleau and thats a 6-8 high picks that went out the door in the early stage of a rebuild.
 

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