Guilt Trip
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Might just be a paper move to give Anderson and Semyonov some money? I dont see 2 guys up front sitting.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
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bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
Yeah. Have to imagine he's back up tomorrow. I think this is just to get Semyonov and Anderson a full practice with the team, so the Leafs can see how they might fit into the lineup, etc.
Or cap shenanigans. With Pridham in the FO, you can never completely dismiss the possibility.
Yeah I find it very hard to believe he wouldn't be in the line-up for tomorrow's game. Even if they want to get Holl back in it'd be Dermott sitting out this time I'd imagine.
Guilt Trip
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Don't think there are cap shenanigans here because the Leafs can't accure any space because of Mikheyev being on LTIR.bustaheims said:
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
With Amadio getting claimed on waivers, Leafs need to max out the space they're using to maximize LTIR space available.
Guilt Trip
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I don't think that's true either. You have to max out when the player initially goes on LTIR, not after.bustaheims said:
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Guilt Trip said:
It's a constant thing. You only get the LTIR credit when it's actually needed to maintain compliance with the cap and things are recalculated daily.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
If Matthews and Marner can't dominate their competition with a fairly random crasher plugged in beside them then, unfortunately, the Leafs are going to lose. Said another way, Matthews and Marner aren't going to be worth their 22 million if other teams can throw out 15 million in first line forwards and beat them. There's no way the leafs can really make it up down the rest of their lineup. There's not enough money to do it reliably. Thank god for Jason Spezza.
And speaking of Spezza, why can't we just play him with Matthews or Tavares (pick one) every /other/ shift? (one shift he rests; one he plays; the readjust in the 3rd period).
Per the AHL's transactions page Liljegren has been called back up to the Leafs and Anderson and Semyonov sent back down to the AHL.
herman
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princedpw said:
There is an optimization curve for player deployment (different for every player!) that is dependent on their talent level, physiology, matchups, teammates, etc.; there is also a point of diminishing returns at the upper end of that time curve. This also spans the whole season, so things like playing Matthews and Marner 22+min a night in Oct/Nov might be cool on the statsheet but come April/May they are out of gas and easily beaten by a nobody line of try-hards who still have their legs. A fresh and full-effort plug is going to beat a tired star pretty much every time. I don't have a problem with curtailing Spezza's minutes in the regular season; he's probably the only one who can hit a hatty in 12 min or less.
Babcock had it right when he argued he's trying to help the team win, not individuals win trophies. However, Babcock rigidly held to this belief: this is the roster machine and here are the parts and this is how long they operate for, regardless of the circumstances, unless it's that defensive line of Komarov getting 20+ min to make sure nobody scores.
Keefe is the opposite extreme, 11M kids need their 22+ minutes to juice their numbers, regardless of how ineffective they are playing and how good players like Mikheyev or Engvall or Nylander are doing. The problem is his only method for solving issues is to stack one line to the detriment of the team as a whole. There's no other solution, like flipping forecheck systems or playstyles in-game (does Engvall need to circle back every time, or is it okay for him to lay the puck gently into the corner and then truck over whoever tries to get it?).
Like Carlton said upthread, it'd be really nice if our coach could strike a balance between the two approaches, both in deployment and playstyle. Some meritocracy could go a long way to getting depth players engaged and star players (beyond Nylander) feeling some accountability.
Frank E said:
Surprised they aren't swapping Dermott and Holl.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
It's not a message at all. I assume the Leafs would have told Lilejegren even before the move was made something akin to "we're not actually sending you down, it's just a paper move for cap reasons" so he knows what the situation is. They did this all of last year too with various players.
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1455216694276804616
Not that this needed anymore reiterating at this point, but Spezza rules so goddamn much.
Not that this needed anymore reiterating at this point, but Spezza rules so goddamn much.
L K
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Marner looked good the last couple of games but it's funny that 3 points in 9 games is Marner turning it around after 1 point in 7 games. I saw more than a few comments complaining about Matthews effort. The threshold for complaining about Marner and Matthews is getting ridiculous.