2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

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Several Leafs comment on Lyubushkin
So does Keefe & Treliving

Treliving & Keefe also provide update on Giordano

Treliving still looking at ways to improve the team
Defense, forwards, "we have 3 goaltenders today, we'll see what tomorrow brings"

Is that goalie quote really from Treliving? I doubt any team looking for a goalie has a today Dman available.

It is towards the end of his press scrum

He didn't say he was getting a dman with a goalie

He was asked what the team was looking for now that they had got Lyubushkin

He was saying he was considering any position to improve his club.
The 3 goalie remark seemed to imply he might not keep all three but it was not definitive. He might keep all three. He could easily flip a goalie for a pick for example (he didn't say that but he did say they might not have three after today yet maybe they will).
A fair amount of smoke for the media.
But notable that he mentioned the three goalies may not be something they stay with.
That may be tied to what sort of a deal they might come up with. Maybe they'll need roster or cap room ...
And maybe they'll do nothing.

 

[Frank E]

Yeah, we don't buy anything these guys say at any point of the season...especially right now with the deadline right around the corner.

"We're looking at any deal that will improve our club...we're happy and confident with our group, so we'd have to be blown away by any offer...we're happy to pick in the first round, but we have to assess every opportunity on its merits...we're very fortunate to have 3 excellent NHL goaltenders, and that's a testament to our quality depth...smoke smoke smoke.

 

[dappleganger]

Does anyone think the Leafs should be interested in someone like Travis Hamonic? Right shot, veteran, signed for one more year at $1.1m after this season.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Does anyone think the Leafs should be interested in someone like Travis Hamonic? Right shot, veteran, signed for one more year at $1.1m after this season.

No. He's absolutely horrible.

 

[herman]

https://x.com/leafspr/status/1764048102460207163
Making use of Robertson?s waiver exemption until the deadline passes.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1764048102460207163
Making use of Robertson?s waiver exemption until the deadline passes.

Looks that way. If no one was waiver exempt, I think Gregor would have been on waivers.

 

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https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1764048102460207163
Making use of Robertson?s waiver exemption until the deadline passes.

Looks that way. If no one was waiver exempt, I think Gregor would have been on waivers.

I think so too.
They're keeping depth for the playoffs - if Gregor survives the trade deadline

 

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Hockey News: Report: Maple Leafs Told Nick Robertson Loan to Marlies Isn't Play Related, Shouldn't Expect Long Stay

During Sportsnet's Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman reported that Robertson being sent to the Marlies was only to make room for the incoming forward, and wasn't a result of his play.

"The Maple Leafs informed Robertson this was purely because he doesn't need waivers and he shouldn't expect a long stay in the American Hockey League. He's still in their plans to come back this season," Friedman reported.

Not sure whether to read that as in 'more moves coming' or 'it won't be long until the deadline ...'

 

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Several Leafs comment on Lyubushkin
So does Keefe & Treliving

Treliving & Keefe also provide update on Giordano

Treliving still looking at ways to improve the team
Defense, forwards, "we have 3 goaltenders today, we'll see what tomorrow brings"

Is that goalie quote really from Treliving? I doubt any team looking for a goalie has a today Dman available.

It is towards the end of his press scrum

He didn't say he was getting a dman with a goalie

He was asked what the team was looking for now that they had got Lyubushkin

He was saying he was considering any position to improve his club.
The 3 goalie remark seemed to imply he might not keep all three but it was not definitive. He might keep all three. He could easily flip a goalie for a pick for example (he didn't say that but he did say they might not have three after today yet maybe they will).
A fair amount of smoke for the media.
But notable that he mentioned the three goalies may not be something they stay with.
That may be tied to what sort of a deal they might come up with. Maybe they'll need roster or cap room ...
And maybe they'll do nothing.

If he moves Jones knowing Woll?s injury history and Sammy?s predilections he?s nuts.

 

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Hockey News: Report: Maple Leafs Told Nick Robertson Loan to Marlies Isn't Play Related, Shouldn't Expect Long Stay

During Sportsnet's Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman reported that Robertson being sent to the Marlies was only to make room for the incoming forward, and wasn't a result of his play.

"The Maple Leafs informed Robertson this was purely because he doesn't need waivers and he shouldn't expect a long stay in the American Hockey League. He's still in their plans to come back this season," Friedman reported.

Not sure whether to read that as in 'more moves coming' or 'it won't be long until the deadline ...'

A little column A. A lot column B. I?m sure they?re trying to make more moves, but those can?t be guaranteed. But, at most, he?s down there for the week.

 

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Hockey News: Report: Maple Leafs Told Nick Robertson Loan to Marlies Isn't Play Related, Shouldn't Expect Long Stay

During Sportsnet's Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman reported that Robertson being sent to the Marlies was only to make room for the incoming forward, and wasn't a result of his play.

"The Maple Leafs informed Robertson this was purely because he doesn't need waivers and he shouldn't expect a long stay in the American Hockey League. He's still in their plans to come back this season," Friedman reported.

Not sure whether to read that as in 'more moves coming' or 'it won't be long until the deadline ...'

A little column A. A lot column B. I?m sure they?re trying to make more moves, but those can?t be guaranteed. But, at most, he?s down there for the week.

They sent LaJoie down with Robertson.
LaJoie dressed for the Marlies. Robertson didn't.

Maybe they don't want Robertson hurt before they trade him ... ?
Hard to believe he would sit in the AHL but not play until the deadline.
Maybe he needed to cool off ...

It is very questionable whether they have a spot for him in the top 12.
Wouldn't surprise me if they were looking for a good PK forward.
Maybe he's the trade bait for that.

Lots of possibilities and he's vulnerable

 

[Arn]

I think there?s a player in Robertson. I think that may count against him as it probably makes him one of the more valuable ?assets? available to make a change. He doesn?t really have a slot in the lineup. A 3rd line centre, for example, would have a slot. So I wonder if they?re trying to find something like that.

 

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I think there?s a player in Robertson. I think that may count against him as it probably makes him one of the more valuable ?assets? available to make a change. He doesn?t really have a slot in the lineup. A 3rd line centre, for example, would have a slot. So I wonder if they?re trying to find something like that.

Leafs are the top scoring team in the league with the #1 PP (or close to that)
They don't need scoring. They need to improve defensively.
That is not Robertson's forte. He's learning but not there yet. He has some size limitations.

NHL teams near the bottom of goals/game like Chicago, SJ, Washington, Anaheim, etc
They could use a top six winger who can score goals.
Give Robertson 15-16 mins/game and within that, some decent PP ice time. Then you've probably got a 20+ goal scorer who needs to grow his 2 way game.
He could help one of those teams.
Paid near NHL minimum, his RFA negotiating position isn't great so he'd be a great bang for their buck.
On that basis, he's got value.
There's probably someone of similar age on the prospective team's roster who can PK/check or they can get a prospect rather than a pick to help Matthews et al sooner.

OR, and I suspect much more likely, he's depth if one of the scoring wingers gets hurt. One of them probably will if they go any distance in the playoffs. His waiver exempt status effectively allows them to have a 24 man roster. When they're carrying 3 goalies, that is even more important.

 

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They sent LaJoie down with Robertson.
LaJoie dressed for the Marlies. Robertson didn't.

Maybe they don't want Robertson hurt before they trade him ... ?
Hard to believe he would sit in the AHL but not play until the deadline.
Maybe he needed to cool off ...

It is very questionable whether they have a spot for him in the top 12.
Wouldn't surprise me if they were looking for a good PK forward.
Maybe he's the trade bait for that.

Lots of possibilities and he's vulnerable

Agreed. For a younger guy with term/team control, moving him wouldn't necessarily be a bad move. I have to imagine he's come up in trade talks and probably should be available for the right deal. When he's not producing offensively, he's pretty invisible most nights. The potential is still there, but he's still lacking in consistency. And, as you mention, his two-way game is needs work. If there's an equivalent, more defensively focused forward out there, it could make sense to move him.

Otherwise, maybe a short stint away from the team to work on the mental side of his game and his approach might also be beneficial. Even if he doesn't get into games for the Marlies, if he gets called up Friday/Saturday and gets back into the lineup, the not playing is probably not a huge issue, and it's only a week or so that he'll have been sitting. If it goes much longer than that, it starts to become a concern.

 

[Arn]

I think there?s a player in Robertson. I think that may count against him as it probably makes him one of the more valuable ?assets? available to make a change. He doesn?t really have a slot in the lineup. A 3rd line centre, for example, would have a slot. So I wonder if they?re trying to find something like that.

Leafs are the top scoring team in the league with the #1 PP (or close to that)
They don't need scoring. They need to improve defensively.
That is not Robertson's forte. He's learning but not there yet. He has some size limitations.

NHL teams near the bottom of goals/game like Chicago, SJ, Washington, Anaheim, etc
They could use a top six winger who can score goals.
Give Robertson 15-16 mins/game and within that, some decent PP ice time. Then you've probably got a 20+ goal scorer who needs to grow his 2 way game.
He could help one of those teams.
Paid near NHL minimum, his RFA negotiating position isn't great so he'd be a great bang for their buck.
On that basis, he's got value.
There's probably someone of similar age on the prospective team's roster who can PK/check or they can get a prospect rather than a pick to help Matthews et al sooner.

OR, and I suspect much more likely, he's depth if one of the scoring wingers gets hurt. One of them probably will if they go any distance in the playoffs. His waiver exempt status effectively allows them to have a 24 man roster. When they're carrying 3 goalies, that is even more important.

Yeah, I don't disagree with, or have any problems with, that bolded line at all.

But if you could turn Robertson into a Domi upgrade at 2/3C, where you can maybe better utilise Tavares in his slightly reduced role where he gets the more offensive role against weaker opponents there could be something in that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But if you could turn Robertson into a Domi upgrade at 2/3C, where you can maybe better utilise Tavares in his slightly reduced role where he gets the more offensive role against weaker opponents there could be something in that.

Different guys running both teams now but it seems like there used to be a decent amount of smoke around a potential Robertson for Scott Laughton trade. I suspect in the past the Leafs weren't adding enough to their side for Philly to pull the trigger. Maybe it's something that gets looked at again with Laughton having somewhat of a down year.

 

[herman]

https://x.com/markhmasters/status/1764672079482265637

 

[Redleaf]

At the rate they seem to be losing defencemen this season, I really hope they find another right handed D man that can be a difference maker on the back end.

 

[dappleganger]

At the rate they seem to be losing defencemen this season, I really hope they find another right handed D man that can be a difference maker on the back end.

I would trade the 2024 1st round pick + prospect to Arizona for Sean Durzi.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

At the rate they seem to be losing defencemen this season, I really hope they find another right handed D man that can be a difference maker on the back end.

I would trade the 2024 1st round pick + prospect to Arizona for Sean Durzi.

That's a hell of a price for a guy who's defensive play is questionable at best.