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Armchair GM 2016-2017

Zee said:
Babcock really is stubborn to a fault. It makes no sense that he hasn't gotten more than 1 chance considering all the issues the Leafs have had (and continue to have) on defense.  It appears Babcock really doesn't like him for whatever reason.

I think this is a general coaching situation and not something limited to Babcock.  Think back to the days when the Leafs gave up Jason Smith and Steve Sullivan during the Quinn era. 

For whatever reasons, coaches end up going with the guys that they "like". 
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Zee said:
Babcock really is stubborn to a fault. It makes no sense that he hasn't gotten more than 1 chance considering all the issues the Leafs have had (and continue to have) on defense.  It appears Babcock really doesn't like him for whatever reason.

I think this is a general coaching situation and not something limited to Babcock.  Think back to the days when the Leafs gave up Jason Smith and Steve Sullivan during the Quinn era. 

For whatever reasons, coaches end up going with the guys that they "like".
The Jason Smith thing really bugged me at the time. You could tell he was going to be a good defenseman and they totally gave up on him.
 
Zee said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
Zee said:
Babcock really is stubborn to a fault. It makes no sense that he hasn't gotten more than 1 chance considering all the issues the Leafs have had (and continue to have) on defense.  It appears Babcock really doesn't like him for whatever reason.

I think this is a general coaching situation and not something limited to Babcock.  Think back to the days when the Leafs gave up Jason Smith and Steve Sullivan during the Quinn era. 

For whatever reasons, coaches end up going with the guys that they "like".
The Jason Smith thing really bugged me at the time. You could tell he was going to be a good defenseman and they totally gave up on him.

I read one article back in the day that said that Quinn didn't like the way that he skated all hunched over.  I'm not sure if that is true or not, but it kind of seems like a silly reason to give up on a d-man if true.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Zee said:
Babcock really is stubborn to a fault. It makes no sense that he hasn't gotten more than 1 chance considering all the issues the Leafs have had (and continue to have) on defense.  It appears Babcock really doesn't like him for whatever reason.

I think this is a general coaching situation and not something limited to Babcock.  Think back to the days when the Leafs gave up Jason Smith and Steve Sullivan during the Quinn era. 

For whatever reasons, coaches end up going with the guys that they "like".

Waiving Sullivan never sat well with me but then I don't know what kind of person he was at the time.
 
I'm not particularly bothered that Babcock doesn't play him, but it isn't fair to let him languish in the box eating popcorn at his age for as long as he has -and that's as much a managerial decision as a coaching one.

He's not even the 7th D, so the right thing to do is waive him.
 
McGarnagle said:
I'm not particularly bothered that Babcock doesn't play him, but it isn't fair to let him languish in the box eating popcorn at his age for as long as he has -and that's as much a managerial decision as a coaching one.

He's not even the 7th D, so the right thing to do is waive him.
I'm wondering why his agent hasn't pressed the issue. He's basically been unused since last season.
 
In Lou we Trust.  We are only on defensive injury away from seeing Frankie play. Patience in the young is non existent, just keep believing, work hard and you will get your chance.
 
So assuming the Leafs maintain this point per game pace right up into February who would be on the respective armchair GMs list of guys to move at the deadline?

For me I think it'd be Hunlak obviously and then one of Komarov or JVR to get Leipsic into the lineup. Bozak would be in the discussion but until we have a better sense of who his replacement would be I don't think it's as pressing.
 
Nik the Trik said:
For me I think it'd be Hunlak obviously and then one of Komarov or JVR to get Leipsic into the lineup. Bozak would be in the discussion but until we have a better sense of who his replacement would be I don't think it's as pressing.

Similar for me. Hunlack would be the two I'd be pushing the most, followed by JvR/Komarov/Bozak (not super concerned about his replacement, to be honest - Matthews & Kadri can handle the top 2 lines and picking up a 3rd line center in the UFA market shouldn't be overly difficult). I'd also be trying to move guys like Laich, Greening, Michalek, etc. to teams looking for injury insurance (or immediate injury replacements) or depth. Obviously, the return there wouldn't be much (if anything), but clearing the some more cap space to fit the impending rookie bonuses would be return enough.
 
Those all make sense. In general, I'd hope we would be sellers.

I would try to trade Martin back to the island (yeah I know they aren't likely buyers). He's cheaper than they expected.
 
Since we're all in agreement re: Hunlak I guess the interesting thing there is what they'll be worth. It's crazy to think about but Polak did get two 2nd rounders last year. Could dealing those guys yield, say, a 2nd and a 3rd?
 
Nik the Trik said:
Since we're all in agreement re: Hunlak I guess the interesting thing there is what they'll be worth. It's crazy to think about but Polak did get two 2nd rounders last year. Could dealing those guys yield, say, a 2nd and a 3rd?

I imagine that's probably on the higher end of the possible range, but, I wouldn't say it's out of the question. The pending UFA defencemen who are likely to be available at the deadline isn't exactly filled with great options.
 
FORWARDS

J. vr ($ 6,000,000) --- A. Matthews ($ 925,000) --- C. Brown ($ 1,200,000)
N. Sosh ($ 1,200,000) --- B. Ny ($ 6,000,000) --- M. Marner ($ 894,166)
B. Leipsick ($ 950,000) --- N. Kadri ($ 4,500,000) --- K. Kapanen ($ 863,333)
U. Leo ($ 3,000,000) --- F. Gauthier ($ 863,333) --- Z. Hyman ($ 900,000)

DEFENCE

M. Rielly ($ 5,000,000) --- K. Shat ($ 7,000,000)
S. stick ($ 5,500,000) --- N. Zaitsev ($ 4,500,000)
R. Valiev ($ 778,333) --- T. Lil ($ 925,000)

GOAL

F. Andersen ($ 5,000,000) --- 2. g ($ 1,000,000)

Extras

A. Johnson ($ 750,833) --- A. Nielsen ($ 670,000) --- T. Dermott ($ 894,166)


An internal 'Leafs plus Shat' thought paradigm a year and a half out, around 9-10 in cap space ( presuming Vegas is a hit, which wouldn't surprise me ). Matthews, Marner and Kadri drive their lines, if the Leafs luck out in the draft they have that coming down the pike, the top 4 D are balanced somewhat ( Shat'n'JamesT coming to Toronto is unlikely, still ) Leo is arguable...
 
Is S Stick Gardiner? Who's T Lil? (Sorry, I'm a bit obtuse). 

Ideally I'd try to move JVR + a few other pieces (Kapanen, Leipsic, Dermott etc.) for an upgrade at defense. Maybe a deal with ANH could work. I'd love to get Trouba from Win but I'm not sure we have anything that gets it done (that satisfies both teams).

Then you have that vacancy on the 1st line wing that has Tavares' name alllll over it!

 
herman said:
I assume S Stick is Jake "Silver Stick" Gardiner, and T. Lil is Timothy Liljegren.

If that's true and this is for the 2018-2019 season wouldn't Gardiner still be at 4.05?
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
I assume S Stick is Jake "Silver Stick" Gardiner, and T. Lil is Timothy Liljegren.

If that's true and this is for the 2018-2019 season wouldn't Gardiner still be at 4.05?

If that is true, then yes #ThankDubas
 
Was hoping we may be able to trade for a defensive prospect from the past draft or two. Provorov particularly (although I guess that's unrealistic now). Are there any others we may he able to get in a trade?
 
My bad, I thought Jake only had a year and a half left, two and half it is. A lot of guesses on salary there. Also shows the kind of flex they have if they don't land Liljegren, for argument, if they get Patrick they could probably start looking at a meaningful trade for a top young dman. Acquiring Shattenkirk for no talent cost would really be helpful.
 

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