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Captain Phaneuf

bustaheims said:
Zee said:
I can't wait to see that HBO series, heard they're very well produced (never watched the previous ones).  As far as I know, they haven't started filming the Leafs yet, so they're coming on board during a time of uncertainty.  Leafs could spiral into oblivion if they keep playing like they have the last little while.  It'll make for some dramatic TV in any event.
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They must have started filming the Leafs already. The 1st episode airs in a little more than 2 weeks.
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They were definitely filming a Red Wings game I watched about two or so weeks ago - the Detroit announcers pointed them out and showed the cameraman following the team down the tunnel at the end of a period so I'd assume they've started in Toronto too
 
bustaheims says..
So, what you're saying is Phaneuf deserves to be paid significantly less than the Dennis Widemans and Matt Carles of the world? Right . . .
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Dave Bolland gets 3.375M for this year. If Phaneuf is worth 7M plus when his contract expires then what should Bolland get?

Look at the record since Bolland was injured.
4 wins 6 losses, and that record is thankful to Reimer, and Bernier.

Wiser thinking should prevail.  If Phaneuf gets what some think he's worth then somebody has got to go.  What would be your choice Bolland or Phaneuf?
 
Nucc said:
If Phaneuf gets what some think he's worth then somebody has got to go.  What would be your choice Bolland or Phaneuf?
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Do I want a top pairing defenceman at market value or a 2nd/3rd line centre at market value? Pretty easy question to answer I think.
 
Nucc said:
Wiser thinking should prevail.  If Phaneuf gets what some think he's worth then somebody has got to go.  What would be your choice Bolland or Phaneuf?
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I would rather keep Phaneuf than Bolland, no question.
 
Deebo said:
Nucc said:
Wiser thinking should prevail.  If Phaneuf gets what some think he's worth then somebody has got to go.  What would be your choice Bolland or Phaneuf?
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I would rather keep Phaneuf than Bolland, no question.
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Dion has really shown his worth and I would have no problem with him getting the term and money attributed to the finest of NHL defensemen.  The scarcity of such make it a no-brainer.
 
Nucc said:
Dave Bolland gets 3.375M for this year. If Phaneuf is worth 7M plus when his contract expires then what should Bolland get?

Look at the record since Bolland was injured.
4 wins 6 losses, and that record is thankful to Reimer, and Bernier.

Wiser thinking should prevail.  If Phaneuf gets what some think he's worth then somebody has got to go.  What would be your choice Bolland or Phaneuf?
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Phaneuf, without question - but, on top of that, you're comparing apples to oranges. Bolland's value in terms of the cap is not really judged in relation to Phaneuf's, but rather to guys like Kadri and Bozak - you know, guys who actually play the same position as he does and who he's competing for ice time with.
 
I fail to see the Phaneuf - Bolland relationship.  Both are assets, and frankly I like both on my favorite hockey team.  Posing this question is as meaningless as saying Kadri and Franson could not both be signed last summer.
 
There's been talk here and there about getting rid of Phaneuf, but very little explanation about how the team would go about replacing him.

There's no defenseman in the upcoming UFA market that could step into his shoes.
 
Snoopzilla said:
There's been talk here and there about getting rid of Phaneuf, but very little explanation about how the team would go about replacing him.

There's no defenseman in the upcoming UFA market that could step into his shoes.
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But that sort of assumes that the person talking about getting rid of Phaneuf advocates doing it via free agency. I don't advocate that personally but I do have concerns with locking him up to a contract that can really only be good value if he's consistently one of the best defensemen in the league.
 
In the loss last night, Phaneuf was a +2.  :o  Crosby had no goals and I think only got his points when Phaneuf wasn't on the ice vs. him.. at least on one of the two assists.

edit: he was an even 0 +/- in the 6-0 loss vs. Columbus.

Sssssooooooooooooo we replace him, how? :)
 
Nik the Trik said:
Snoopzilla said:
There's been talk here and there about getting rid of Phaneuf, but very little explanation about how the team would go about replacing him.

There's no defenseman in the upcoming UFA market that could step into his shoes.
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But that sort of assumes that the person talking about getting rid of Phaneuf advocates doing it via free agency. I don't advocate that personally but I do have concerns with locking him up to a contract that can really only be good value if he's consistently one of the best defensemen in the league.
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I have those concerns as well, but I'm not optimistic at all about the team's chances of replacing him via FA or trade.
 
Corn Flake said:
In the loss last night, Phaneuf was a +2.  :o  Crosby had no goals and I think only got his points when Phaneuf wasn't on the ice vs. him.. at least on one of the two assists.

edit: he was an even 0 +/- in the 6-0 loss vs. Columbus.

Sssssooooooooooooo we replace him, how? :)
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A real leader would take the minuses instead of letting his teammates take them, amirite?  ;)
 
Snoopzilla said:
I have those concerns as well, but I'm not optimistic at all about the team's chances of replacing him via FA or trade.
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Sure but, like I said, I don't think that's the argument.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Snoopzilla said:
I have those concerns as well, but I'm not optimistic at all about the team's chances of replacing him via FA or trade.
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Sure but, like I said, I don't think that's the argument.
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What is the argument?
 
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