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Captain Phaneuf

Don't know if this has been mentioned but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Do you think Dion's play has anything to do with his contract being up? Seen this far too often players playing mediocre or under their potential and come contract year pick it up. I have been more than happy with Dion's play but like someone said is he worth true big bucks as the new Dion or Old Dion. I'm going to forgot the rumours of him being a cancer in the dressing room because that's just what they are rumours. If he is I wouldn't think twice of keeping him. I never agreed with Burke naming him captain and as far as his potential contract I'm not totally sure it's someone you build your team around at that price. As far as signing him to a 7 or 8 year deal think Nonis would be crazy to. If Nonis can sign him to a contract in the 6 million per I would otherwise let him walk. His offence can be easily replaced on the PP by Rielly or Gardiner and I'm sure they can trade or find someone who plays a solid defensive game and not have to pay him 7 million a year. Only problem is if you don't sign him then you lose him for nothing unless traded which I don't think is going to happen. I can admit I for one have shown my displeasure with Dion over the years. When he tries to do too much he gets running around and screws up. If they can have him playing 20 mins or so with PP time he's fine. I don't mind signing him but to a reasonable amount and I wouldn't go more than 5 years.
 
azzurri63 said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Do you think Dion's play has anything to do with his contract being up? Seen this far too often players playing mediocre or under their potential and come contract year pick it up. I have been more than happy with Dion's play but like someone said is he worth true big bucks as the new Dion or Old Dion. I'm going to forgot the rumours of him being a cancer in the dressing room because that's just what they are rumours. If he is I wouldn't think twice of keeping him. I never agreed with Burke naming him captain and as far as his potential contract I'm not totally sure it's someone you build your team around at that price. As far as signing him to a 7 or 8 year deal think Nonis would be crazy to. If Nonis can sign him to a contract in the 6 million per I would otherwise let him walk. His offence can be easily replaced on the PP by Rielly or Gardiner and I'm sure they can trade or find someone who plays a solid defensive game and not have to pay him 7 million a year. Only problem is if you don't sign him then you lose him for nothing unless traded which I don't think is going to happen. I can admit I for one have shown my displeasure with Dion over the years. When he tries to do too much he gets running around and screws up. If they can have him playing 20 mins or so with PP time he's fine. I don't mind signing him but to a reasonable amount and I wouldn't go more than 5 years.
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I think there is potential that the contract year comes into play but also believe that he is maturing and is also becoming more comfortable with his role as captain.
If he continues his current level of play then open up the wallet and pay him what he's worth (and hopefully we get a little home team discount ;)) I have faith that Nonis will be fair and reasonable and if both sides do the same all will work out.
It would be a lot of ice time to try and replace if they let him walk.
 
Scot4bz said:
azzurri63 said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Do you think Dion's play has anything to do with his contract being up? Seen this far too often players playing mediocre or under their potential and come contract year pick it up. I have been more than happy with Dion's play but like someone said is he worth true big bucks as the new Dion or Old Dion. I'm going to forgot the rumours of him being a cancer in the dressing room because that's just what they are rumours. If he is I wouldn't think twice of keeping him. I never agreed with Burke naming him captain and as far as his potential contract I'm not totally sure it's someone you build your team around at that price. As far as signing him to a 7 or 8 year deal think Nonis would be crazy to. If Nonis can sign him to a contract in the 6 million per I would otherwise let him walk. His offence can be easily replaced on the PP by Rielly or Gardiner and I'm sure they can trade or find someone who plays a solid defensive game and not have to pay him 7 million a year. Only problem is if you don't sign him then you lose him for nothing unless traded which I don't think is going to happen. I can admit I for one have shown my displeasure with Dion over the years. When he tries to do too much he gets running around and screws up. If they can have him playing 20 mins or so with PP time he's fine. I don't mind signing him but to a reasonable amount and I wouldn't go more than 5 years.
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I think there is potential that the contract year comes into play but also believe that he is maturing and is also becoming more comfortable with his role as captain.
If he continues his current level of play then open up the wallet and pay him what he's worth (and hopefully we get a little home team discount ;)) I have faith that Nonis will be fair and reasonable and if both sides do the same all will work out.
It would be a lot of ice time to try and replace if they let him walk.
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I dont know, I may be a little Bias here. But does any one else think Letang is overrated.
 
Taking Last game TOI, it was almost an even split in time with ~20 min each (Gardiner played the lowest with 18:14, Phaneuf the highest with: 21:56)

So, maybe Phaneuf is that kind of D (~23min/game) and not a 30 min/game guy as he was in the previous years. The Leafs D depth provides it.
 
I thought this was an exceptional piece on Phaneuf and his value as a 7 million Dman.

http://www.fiveminutesforfighting.com/2013/10/7-million-for-phaneuf-fair-deal.html?m=1
 
Nik the Trik said:
Erndog said:
Maybe it's just me but I put Letang as a lock as well.  He was over a point a game last season and very well could have won the Norris. 
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It's certainly possible that he's seen that way. I have some doubts just because they have so much offense from those first four I mentioned that they might want to look a little more towards the defensive side of things for the bottom half of the roster  but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Letang is a shoe-in.
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On Letang, he's as good defensively as he is offensively, and his wheels would come in very handy on Olympic ice vs. the very fast US and Russian teams. 

I think they opt for seven of the best skating d-men who aren't liabilities in their own zone and there will for sure be more than enough offensive output from just about any of the 10-12 candidates they pick from.

Phaneuf's advantage is he can play the physical game and not be a liability in other areas, like Subban would be on the side of taking way too many gambles in the o-zone.
 
I for one was always an anti-Phaneuf fan...I did not like how he would be standing behind the net while the puck was in the net.  I did not how he would play soft against some forwards allowing them easy access to the net and score.  I thought he was prone to taking dumb penalties because he was getting caught out of position...thought he was completely overrated.

Since Carlyle has come in I have seen a huge difference in his play, not just this season, but last season as well...no more running around, but rather playing a simple style with improved defensive coverage that allows either goalie to make an easy save (it is why the Leafs give up 30+ shots per game, but only give up a couple of goals...most of the shots are saves that a goalie should make).  I have been really impressed with his play, and with the play of the other d-men as well.  I would even go as far as to give Phaneuf a shot at making the Olympic team...it would benefit him greatly if he were to be selected to the team.
 
I'm sorry if others disagree with me but I just can't get on the Phaneuf bandwagon.  Certainly not for what I think he's going to be asking.  Maybe for 4M but not more.
 
Nucc said:
I'm sorry if others disagree with me but I just can't get on the Phaneuf bandwagon.  Certainly not for what I think he's going to be asking.  Maybe for 4M but not more.
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So, what you're saying is Phaneuf deserves to be paid significantly less than the Dennis Widemans and Matt Carles of the world? Right . . .
 
They say that Phanuef is a good leader and chats it up, but for some reason we are not seeing that leadership or hearing about it in any case. I think a real leader steps it up and challenges the teammates to be better players, but the bunch we have seen in the last two games have looked like stiffs out there.
Maybe its time for a team meeting and some ass kicking.
This talk about replacing the coach is unreal with the record we currently have and Peter Lavialote (sorry for the spelling) does not turn my cranch as a coach, never did.
 
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=437611 said:
Dreger: Phaneuf's agent did make a ballpark offer a couple of weeks ago, the contract being in the seven to eight-year range with the finances above $7 million per year. GM Dave Nonis is expected to counter within a week.
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Not sure how I feel about over 7 million, I'd be happy with him stay at 6.5 ish.
 
Highlander said:
They say that Phanuef is a good leader and chats it up, but for some reason we are not seeing that leadership or hearing about it in any case. I think a real leader steps it up and challenges the teammates to be better players, but the bunch we have seen in the last two games have looked like stiffs out there.
Maybe its time for a team meeting and some ass kicking.
This talk about replacing the coach is unreal with the record we currently have and Peter Lavialote (sorry for the spelling) does not turn my cranch as a coach, never did.
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None of us really knows what goes on in the room.
 
I guess that means the that HBO series will be even more relevant regarding the team leadership. Perhaps it is fine and happening, but with the talent pool we have to see the last two games is a bit of a concern.
If they play like that in the Winter Classic it will be bad for hockey
 
Highlander said:
I guess that means the that HBO series will be even more relevant regarding the team leadership. Perhaps it is fine and happening, but with the talent pool we have to see the last two games is a bit of a concern.
If they play like that in the Winter Classic it will be bad for hockey
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I can't wait to see that HBO series, heard they're very well produced (never watched the previous ones).  As far as I know, they haven't started filming the Leafs yet, so they're coming on board during a time of uncertainty.  Leafs could spiral into oblivion if they keep playing like they have the last little while.  It'll make for some dramatic TV in any event.
 
Zee said:
I can't wait to see that HBO series, heard they're very well produced (never watched the previous ones).  As far as I know, they haven't started filming the Leafs yet, so they're coming on board during a time of uncertainty.  Leafs could spiral into oblivion if they keep playing like they have the last little while.  It'll make for some dramatic TV in any event.
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They must have started filming the Leafs already. The 1st episode airs in a little more than 2 weeks.
 
bustaheims said:
Zee said:
I can't wait to see that HBO series, heard they're very well produced (never watched the previous ones).  As far as I know, they haven't started filming the Leafs yet, so they're coming on board during a time of uncertainty.  Leafs could spiral into oblivion if they keep playing like they have the last little while.  It'll make for some dramatic TV in any event.
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They must have started filming the Leafs already. The 1st episode airs in a little more than 2 weeks.
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It does?  My information is bad.  LOL
 
Zee said:
It does?  My information is bad.  LOL
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December 14th, yeah. They may not be too far into the real intense stuff, but, I'm pretty sure they've been filming each team on and off since training camp.
 
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