Chiarelli (finally) fired

[CarltonTheBear]

From Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

17. When Edmonton gets down to GM interviews, the favourites are Kelly McCrimmon and Mark Hunter. But, there are expected to be other conversations. Interim GM Keith Gretzky has history with current Bruins executive director of player personnel John Ferguson, so it would not be a surprise to see him involved.

The dream of Zaitsev going to Edmonton is still alive!

 

[herman]

From Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

17. When Edmonton gets down to GM interviews, the favourites are Kelly McCrimmon and Mark Hunter. But, there are expected to be other conversations. Interim GM Keith Gretzky has history with current Bruins executive director of player personnel John Ferguson, so it would not be a surprise to see him involved.

The dream of Zaitsev going to Edmonton is still alive!

Which team got relegated? Gotta be one of EDM, OTT, ANA?

Edit: oh, thought 31 belongs in a different thread

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Which team got relegated? Gotta be one of EDM, OTT, ANA?

Edit: oh, thought 31 belongs in a different thread

You know I don't consider the sens a real team. Anyway, assuming this is the general bash Edmonton thread:

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1096453734446428160

What the hell are the Oilers doing being "open" to trading one of their biggest assets at a time where they don't even have a permanent coach or GM in place?

 

[herman]

I honestly think a lot of top-5 1st round busts are the fault of the teams that pick them.

 

[Kin]

In fairness to the Oilers, you have to keep in mind that they think that a "fair return" for a failed top 5 pick is what they paid for Reinhart.

 

[Andy007]

Proper return meaning in relation to an average, NHL general manager or an Edmonton Oilers concept of proper return? Because if it's the latter, Timashov for Puljujarvi sounds like (pardon the pun) a no-brainer!

 

[herman]

Brandon Manning is on waivers today.

Pretty sure he and Petrovic have been scratched regularly.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/punjabioil/status/1098072099313184769


New Edmonton GM will be a hero just by Ctrl+Zing all of Chiarelli?s moves.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/brucemccurdy/status/1108823849074737152

That?s rich.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1112944608336523264

I love making fun of the Oilers as much as the next person, but it's hard not to feel bad for McDavid. He just sounds so broken down.

 

[TimKerr]

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1112944608336523264

I love making fun of the Oilers as much as the next person, but it's hard not to feel bad for McDavid. He just sounds so broken down.

You know, I want to feel sorry for him. But I can?t. No one forced him to sign an 8 year extension with the worst team in sports. Either he or his agent or both were obviously fools if they couldn?t see how bad the Oilers are. Instead they chose to stay cause and now he can suffer. Hopefully at the end of this contract he is able to leave and go someplace where he can win.  And much like Tavares all the Oilers fans will hate him but he will have finally made the right choice, albeit 8 years too late.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1112944608336523264

I love making fun of the Oilers as much as the next person, but it's hard not to feel bad for McDavid. He just sounds so broken down.

You know, I want to feel sorry for him. But I can?t. No one forced him to sign an 8 year extension with the worst team in sports. Either he or his agent or both were obviously fools if they couldn?t see how bad the Oilers are. Instead they chose to stay cause and now he can suffer. Hopefully at the end of this contract he is able to leave and go someplace where he can win.  And much like Tavares all the Oilers fans will hate him but he will have finally made the right choice, albeit 8 years too late.

To be fair to McDavid, when they signed that contract they were coming off a 100+ point season and round 2 of the playoffs.  There were many "analysts" that had the Oilers as a Stanley Cup threat going into that year.

 

[herman]

Like the sens' last playoff run (that went pretty deep), there were underlying issues with the Oiler team, particularly Talbot's usage and PDO running hot. Of course it's hard to discount McDavid's effect on a series, but he remains one player (albeit the best player) being worked to the tune of 25+ min per game, saddled with character role players that provide negative goal value per cap hit.

That's why you have to look deeper when evaluating a team than just goals and wins.

 

[Zee]

Like the sens' last playoff run (that went pretty deep), there were underlying issues with the Oiler team, particularly Talbot's usage and PDO running hot. Of course it's hard to discount McDavid's effect on a series, but he remains one player (albeit the best player) being worked to the tune of 25+ min per game, saddled with character role players that provide negative goal value per cap hit.

That's why you have to look deeper when evaluating a team than just goals and wins.

I mean, he's an NHL player, I don't think they would go in depth like that.  All he knew was ,the team won a lot of games, they had a nice playoff run and things were looking up.  Also the prevailing attitude from drafted players (especially good old Canadian boys) is to remain loyal to the team that drafted you.  This might be changing in the future but it's still the prevailing attitude right now among players.

 

[TimKerr]

Like the sens' last playoff run (that went pretty deep), there were underlying issues with the Oiler team, particularly Talbot's usage and PDO running hot. Of course it's hard to discount McDavid's effect on a series, but he remains one player (albeit the best player) being worked to the tune of 25+ min per game, saddled with character role players that provide negative goal value per cap hit.

That's why you have to look deeper when evaluating a team than just goals and wins.

I mean, he's an NHL player, I don't think they would go in depth like that.  All he knew was ,the team won a lot of games, they had a nice playoff run and things were looking up.  Also the prevailing attitude from drafted players (especially good old Canadian boys) is to remain loyal to the team that drafted you.  This might be changing in the future but it's still the prevailing attitude right now among players.

Then that?s on the agent and the people around him. If they don?t want to go deep and make an informed decision than we aren?t going to feel sorry for you when you are saddled with the NHL version of the Cleveland Browns. (This years version excepted)

 

[herman]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-islanders-make-pitches-john-tavares-meetings-begin/

Tavares is a meticulous guy who spent the last couple months reviewing his options and had a 77-page book prepared that contained a deep dive into each of the organizations he was most likely to find appealing.

It was amazing how [Kyle Dubas] kind of carried himself and delivered his message and vision on why I would be a good fit here as a hockey player. I think him and the management team and everyone that was there? obviously, at some point, they presented to me not just this vision of where the team is at but you coming home to where you grew up and being a piece to that puzzle and getting this team over the hump and what it would mean to be a Maple Leaf and possibly to win here. He made a strong message about that and that certainly really got some feelings going for me. It was a great dialogue we had going back and forth just about the team and the fit and how I could contribute.

[...]

I think, also, what was important to me in general and what was very positive about the Leafs was that I didn?t just want to look at the first three or four years of my contract. I want to be a good player and play at a high level for a long time. With how young the team is, and obviously you see what the Marlies have accomplished and the depth in the organization and the youth, I believe that I can still play at a real high level and still contribute and the team will still be performing at a very high level all the way through my seven years.

 

[TML fan]

It was guaranteed money. McDavid's career could be over tomorrow. It's easy to see why he signed that deal.

 

[Kin]

Like the sens' last playoff run (that went pretty deep), there were underlying issues with the Oiler team, particularly Talbot's usage and PDO running hot. Of course it's hard to discount McDavid's effect on a series, but he remains one player (albeit the best player) being worked to the tune of 25+ min per game, saddled with character role players that provide negative goal value per cap hit.

That's why you have to look deeper when evaluating a team than just goals and wins.

I mean, he's an NHL player, I don't think they would go in depth like that.  All he knew was ,the team won a lot of games, they had a nice playoff run and things were looking up.  Also the prevailing attitude from drafted players (especially good old Canadian boys) is to remain loyal to the team that drafted you.  This might be changing in the future but it's still the prevailing attitude right now among players.

Then that?s on the agent and the people around him. If they don?t want to go deep and make an informed decision than we aren?t going to feel sorry for you when you are saddled with the NHL version of the Cleveland Browns. (This years version excepted)

I don't even think you'd need to be advocating for some sort of deep knowledge of statistics here. All the agent should have said is that regardless of what happened last year the Oilers are still a franchise with a bad history of decision making and by signing this contract you're not only locking yourself into a deal at the current cap% you're also tying what figures to be almost half of your career to this franchise with no actual control over your situation. While that certainly seems like a questionable decision when the Oilers are involved, the truth is that doing that with any team should be a significant question mark. This isn't like the old NHL where once a team is good they're good forever.

 

[Kin]

It was guaranteed money. McDavid's career could be over tomorrow. It's easy to see why he signed that deal.

Regardless of the deal McDavid signed, whether it was 8 year or a 5 year one like Matthews, he was going to get enough money to be wealthy the rest of his life. If his thinking really was that he needed to guarantee making 96 million instead of a measly 60 million on the off chance that he suffered a catastrophic injury then hats off to him but given that there's at the very least an equally good chance that by signing the shorter deal he ends up making more in the long run, it's certainly not a particularly smart financial decision.

Most people don't base all of their calculations on worst case scenarios and most people aren't already millionaires.

edit: Also, if you were really worried about a catastrophic injury and its impact on future earning potential the smarter financial move is still almost certainly to be to sign the shorter deal and just get an insurance policy.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/archaeologuy/status/1113500724724269057

The Leafs and sports media have picked up a lot of Vancouver fanalysts too.