Clarkson for horton

[cw]

According to Jeff O'Neil, the team shares in the blame for how the Clarkson contract turned out because they undersold Clarkson as a 3rd line player and didn't give him enough PP opportunities.

He really said that?

In my opinion, he's one of the dullest knives in the drawer ...

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He really said that?

This is a good one too:

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Remember, no one was upset when he signed.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

"no one" haha.

Cox or Simmons said basically the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago too.

 

[ZBBM]

Not buying that.  He was the GM, he was in charge, the Clarkson contract was 100% his responsibility.

I'm not saying it wasn't his responsibility. I'm saying that we've now got ten years of evidence that whether the GM is a well regarded newcomer or a Cup winning superstar or a well regarded industry guy bad decisions are going to be made in the service of a ridiculous expectation. If I make your job dependent on you overseeing the building of a skyscraper in two weeks then I can't turn around and say "Hey man, it looks like you were trying to cut corners, what's up?".

So it's his responsibility ... except not really, because he was answering to ridiculous expectations?

Nonis hasn't "fixed" anything, not even via the cap space argument.  All he's done is cost the team $26M to regain cap space that never should have been allotted in the first place.

 

[Deebo]

According to Jeff O'Neil, the team shares in the blame for how the Clarkson contract turned out because they undersold Clarkson as a 3rd line player and didn't give him enough PP opportunities.

He really said that?

In my opinion, he's one of the dullest knives in the drawer ...

He's the worst. He seems to be very popular on lesser hockey message boards though.

 

[cw]

Not buying that.  He was the GM, he was in charge, the Clarkson contract was 100% his responsibility.

I'm not saying it wasn't his responsibility. I'm saying that we've now got ten years of evidence that whether the GM is a well regarded newcomer or a Cup winning superstar or a well regarded industry guy bad decisions are going to be made in the service of a ridiculous expectation. If I make your job dependent on you overseeing the building of a skyscraper in two weeks then I can't turn around and say "Hey man, it looks like you were trying to cut corners, what's up?".

In business and sports, every manager makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The better managers recognize their mistakes and fix them.

Nonis' "fix" costs his team $30 mil (less insurance).

Having said that, the Clarkson deal was a mistake many who post on this site, much less NHL GMs, would not have made. It was a really stupid stinker of a decision.

 

[dappleganger]

I am shocked Nonis was able to move Clarkson.

Good on him for getting out from under that mistake.

 

[ZBBM]

Not buying that.  He was the GM, he was in charge, the Clarkson contract was 100% his responsibility.

I'm not saying it wasn't his responsibility. I'm saying that we've now got ten years of evidence that whether the GM is a well regarded newcomer or a Cup winning superstar or a well regarded industry guy bad decisions are going to be made in the service of a ridiculous expectation. If I make your job dependent on you overseeing the building of a skyscraper in two weeks then I can't turn around and say "Hey man, it looks like you were trying to cut corners, what's up?".

In business and sports, every manager makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The better managers recognize their mistakes and fix them.

Nonis' "fix" costs his team $30 mil (less insurance).

Having said that, the Clarkson deal was a mistake many who post on this site, much less NHL GMs, would not have made. It was a really stupid stinker of a decision.

That beings up a question.  If Horton's contract was insured, that exposure is 100% assumed by the Leafs, right?

EDIT: Sorry, meant to write "uninsured," as has been reported.

 

[Kin]

So it's his responsibility ... except not really, because he was answering to ridiculous expectations?

Or, rather, it's his responsibility but not solely his responsibility which, and I know this sort of nuance can be hard to wrap your head around, actually doesn't mitigate his responsibility.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Great move. Just fantastic.

I wonder if this deal had happened a couple weeks ago if Franson would still be a Leaf (maybe he will be this summer?).

Now don't go blowing that Cap space on some other marginal, massively overpaid UFA.

Oh and keep losing please......

 

[ZBBM]

So it's his responsibility ... except not really, because he was answering to ridiculous expectations?

Or, rather, it's his responsibility but not solely his responsibility which, and I know this sort of nuance can be hard to wrap your head around, actually doesn't mitigate his responsibility.

No, I get you totally.  So basically we agree, and he needs to take the fall because it comes with the title.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I actually got a little emotional when I saw this, delighted!

If the Leafs should happen to win a Cup in my lifetime, if it's a moment even half as exciting as hearing this news was, I can?t wait.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nonis' "fix" costs his team $30 mil (less insurance).

Horton's contract is not insured.

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[Kin]

So basically we agree, and he needs to take the fall because it comes with the title.

Well, no. I don't necessarily think his failures as a magician automatically means that he's the wrong guy to handle some construction work. I've actually been pretty impressed with what he's managed to do since the change from upstairs.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

On the TSN intro when they said "#71 no longer there" my first thought was that he'd been bought out or had been involved in a fatal accident or something.

This is obviously better than both of those things.

I still can't believe it.

 

[ZBBM]

So basically we agree, and he needs to take the fall because it comes with the title.

Well, no. I don't necessarily think his failures as a magician automatically means that he's the wrong guy to handle some construction demolition work. I've actually been pretty impressed with what he's managed to do since the change from upstairs.

Like you said above, not that difficult.

 

[Kin]

Like you said above, not that difficult.

No, I chose my words pretty carefully there. If I just thought that Nonis could be kept around for the teardown but not for the rebuild then I'd probably just think you might as well move on from him sooner rather than later and let the guy they want to be the architect of the next phase get started ASAP.

But for the actual rebuild I think that very different things will be asked of Nonis and I think he's actually got an ok record in terms of things like drafting and trades and so on. So I'm not passionately for keeping him, I'm just not sure that he needs to go so long as the team is firmly committed to patiently rebuilding.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Not buying that.  He was the GM, he was in charge, the Clarkson contract was 100% his responsibility.

I'm not saying it wasn't his responsibility. I'm saying that we've now got ten years of evidence that whether the GM is a well regarded newcomer or a Cup winning superstar or a well regarded industry guy bad decisions are going to be made in the service of a ridiculous expectation. If I make your job dependent on you overseeing the building of a skyscraper in two weeks then I can't turn around and say "Hey man, it looks like you were trying to cut corners, what's up?".

In business and sports, every manager makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The better managers recognize their mistakes and fix them.

Nonis' "fix" costs his team $30 mil (less insurance).

Having said that, the Clarkson deal was a mistake many who post on this site, much less NHL GMs, would not have made. It was a really stupid stinker of a decision.

mckenzie said the contract wasn't insured.  Guess someone should have called their broker.  That was a huge management mistake too.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Btw I think it is a great deal.  If horton never plays you get the cap relief.  If he does he was a good player.  Hopefully he still will be after the back recovery.  This is a very low risk and high reward move at least for the hockey team point of view.  From the dollar perspective it was a wash since clarkson's contract is buy out proof that money was spend already either way.

 

[cw]

Nonis' "fix" costs his team $30 mil (less insurance).

Horton's contract is not insured.

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$17 mil error on GM of Blue Jackets (team would still have to pay $13 mil of $30 mil balance if it had been insured)

That explains the deal. 'Nuff said. MLSE is bailing Nonis out for full pop on that $30 mil.