Contracts for the Big-3

[hockeyfan1]

Looks like the Marner camp may be looking in the vicinity of a short-term deal rather than long-term one:

"...the Marner camp is looking at the idea of the merits of a four- or five-year deal when it?s time to negotiate as opposed to a maximum or longer term deal. And that is obviously quite interesting. It?s probably not what the Leafs want, that?s for sure. Especially, a four-year deal because that would walk Marner right into ufa (unrestricted free agency).  How much would a four or five-year deal cost instead of a max deal? My sense is they think it?s somewhere between $9-10 million based on the season that he is having right now."

https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-how-will-the-nylander-saga-end-1.1218355

 

[Bates]

Marner is the one that surprises me the most, I thought the local boy would be chomping to sign an 8 year deal.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Marner is the one that surprises me the most, I thought the local boy would be chomping to sign an 8 year deal.

They're watching this Nylander saga unfold. 

Short-term deal then testing the free agent waters and commanding a larger contract makes sense for a player who is expected to produce or even exceed at a stable rate.

Since hockey players reach their peak in their later years, Marner would fit in well in that category.

It goes to show that the Marner camp has every confidence in negotiating for a favourable deal, as well as eyeing the  impending future RFA situation (re: Nylander situation).

 

[hockeyfan1]

Looking at more comparable values  in determining where Nylander's contract payout should be at, taking into account PPG & overall totals, etc.:

https://theathletic.com/678913/2018/11/28/mirtle-revisiting-the-question-of-whats-truly-a-fair-contract-for-william-nylander/

 

[Joe S.]

Since hockey players reach their peak in their later years, Marner would fit in well in that category.

It goes to show that the Marner camp has every confidence in negotiating for a favourable deal, as well as eyeing the  impending future RFA situation (re: Nylander situation).

This is completely untrue. Players do not peak in their later years.

 

[Bates]

Looking at more comparable values  in determining where Nylander's contract payout should be at, taking into account PPG & overall totals, etc.:

https://theathletic.com/678913/2018/11/28/mirtle-revisiting-the-question-of-whats-truly-a-fair-contract-for-william-nylander/

Lots of talk this week that teams don't have ppg high on their list when assigning value to players.

 

[princedpw]

This is not true. No matter what salaries are negotiated, the amount of money the owners get stays the same ? it is a fixed percentage of revenues.  The only thing that can change is how money is allocated amongst different classes players.

If we're going to be technical about it, you're not really right here. The fixed percentage of revenues is based on a division of leaguewide revenues. Money going out has to conform to the cap. Money coming in is not likewise divided. Assuming revenues are static, a team paying less in salary is going to be more profitable.

Yes, this sounds right if a team elects to pay less in total salary to its players.  Most teams spend to within epsilon of the cap though.  There may also be some teams that have an internal cap and plan to always spend up to that internal cap, so again there would just be a reallocation to different player classes.  Very few teams revenues, if any, will be changed by the details of the Nylander deal.

 

[princedpw]

Looking at more comparable values  in determining where Nylander's contract payout should be at, taking into account PPG & overall totals, etc.:

https://theathletic.com/678913/2018/11/28/mirtle-revisiting-the-question-of-whats-truly-a-fair-contract-for-william-nylander/

Lots of talk this week that teams don't have ppg high on their list when assigning value to players.

Really?  "Points" in some form or another must be there.  Total points?  Points per minute?  Primary points? 

 

[princedpw]

Oh good lord.  Hurry up.

How can a bridge deal not be in everyone's favor if they can't work out a long term contract?

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Since hockey players reach their peak in their later years, Marner would fit in well in that category.

It goes to show that the Marner camp has every confidence in negotiating for a favourable deal, as well as eyeing the  impending future RFA situation (re: Nylander situation).

This is completely untrue. Players do not peak in their later years.

Yes, players indeed do peak in their later years after their entry level contracts.

 

[princedpw]

Since hockey players reach their peak in their later years, Marner would fit in well in that category.

It goes to show that the Marner camp has every confidence in negotiating for a favourable deal, as well as eyeing the  impending future RFA situation (re: Nylander situation).

This is completely untrue. Players do not peak in their later years.

Yes, players indeed do peak in their later years after their entry level contracts.

According to this analysis:

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

peak age is usually 22-25.

 

[Bates]

Looking at more comparable values  in determining where Nylander's contract payout should be at, taking into account PPG & overall totals, etc.:

https://theathletic.com/678913/2018/11/28/mirtle-revisiting-the-question-of-whats-truly-a-fair-contract-for-william-nylander/

Lots of talk this week that teams don't have ppg high on their list when assigning value to players.

Really?  "Points" in some form or another must be there.  Total points?  Points per minute?  Primary points?

I really don't know but every day someone on Leafs Lunch would compare ppg and Gord Miller would say in his discussions with GM's they don't value this as an important stat??  Heard the same on Overdrive by Mackenzie maybe?

 

[Highlander]

Anyone else have that sick nauseated feeling that can't be attributed to too much drinking

 

[Bender]

This has probably been discussed already but why hasn't he signed an offer sheet yet? Do people think he hasn't even been offered the amount of money he wants from one?

 

[herman]

This has probably been discussed already but why hasn't he signed an offer sheet yet? Do people think he hasn't even been offered the amount of money he wants from one?

Because he wants to be in Toronto, long term.

 

[sickbeast]

You know what's sad to think about is that these NHL players are playing what is IMO the most physically demanding and injury prone sport on earth and they are being paid a pittance compared to all the other major professional sports in North America aside from perhaps soccer (but keep in mind in Europe they would be paid like kings).  To see Nylander battling over maybe $300,000 is extremely sad.  Look at David Price.  How much does he make per start?  Per pitch even?  Anyhow I'm just throwing that out there.  I can see why these athletes want to be paid fairly for what they do.  There is a lot that goes into it and it is their livelihood.  They can only do it for maybe 15 years or so.  Sometimes more if they are lucky.

 

[Bates]

You know what's sad to think about is that these NHL players are playing what is IMO the most physically demanding and injury prone sport on earth and they are being paid a pittance compared to all the other major professional sports in North America aside from perhaps soccer (but keep in mind in Europe they would be paid like kings).  To see Nylander battling over maybe $300,000 is extremely sad.  Look at David Price.  How much does he make per start?  Per pitch even?  Anyhow I'm just throwing that out there.  I can see why these athletes want to be paid fairly for what they do.  There is a lot that goes into it and it is their livelihood.  They can only do it for maybe 15 years or so.  Sometimes more if they are lucky.

You must really feel for pro lacrosse players.

 

[bustaheims]

Really?  "Points" in some form or another must be there.  Total points?  Points per minute?  Primary points?

I'm sure points is a factor, but to get a good read on a player, you really need to look more on what they do to generate offence rather than focus on the results.

 

[Joe S.]

Since hockey players reach their peak in their later years, Marner would fit in well in that category.

It goes to show that the Marner camp has every confidence in negotiating for a favourable deal, as well as eyeing the  impending future RFA situation (re: Nylander situation).

This is completely untrue. Players do not peak in their later years.

Yes, players indeed do peak in their later years after their entry level contracts.

So you call 22 ?their later years??

 

[sickbeast]

You know what's sad to think about is that these NHL players are playing what is IMO the most physically demanding and injury prone sport on earth and they are being paid a pittance compared to all the other major professional sports in North America aside from perhaps soccer (but keep in mind in Europe they would be paid like kings).  To see Nylander battling over maybe $300,000 is extremely sad.  Look at David Price.  How much does he make per start?  Per pitch even?  Anyhow I'm just throwing that out there.  I can see why these athletes want to be paid fairly for what they do.  There is a lot that goes into it and it is their livelihood.  They can only do it for maybe 15 years or so.  Sometimes more if they are lucky.

You must really feel for pro lacrosse players.

Yes.  CFL players also.  I had one living on my street actually.  Middle class neighbourhood.  Nothing special.