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Contracts for the Big-3

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CarltonTheBear said:
Well that changed pretty quickly for Theodore at least.
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I'm starting to think this whole NHL insider thing may, may, be just a ploy to get people desperate for any shred of poorly sourced hockey related "news" to constantly watch TSN or Sportsnet.
 
It's usually pretty dead quiet when the lawyers are going through the proposals that the negotiation parties have settled on.
 
Parsing silence now?  This is deeply philosophical in some way, but I can't put my finger on it. [emoji55]
 
They're starting to get crazy on Leafs lunch about the Nylander contract.  Topics today ranged to what happens if Nylander demands a trade.  They all chimed in that the Leafs could just let him sit in Sweden and not trade him until he decided to come back.  They brought up an anecdote how Jim Rutherford did that with a player at one point.  Player asked to be traded and Rutherford said "The next NHL game you play will be with our team and then we'll decide if we want to trade you".

So yeah.  It's at that point in the media.
 
Zee said:
They're starting to get crazy on Leafs lunch about the Nylander contract.  Topics today ranged to what happens if Nylander demands a trade.  They all chimed in that the Leafs could just let him sit in Sweden and not trade him until he decided to come back.  They brought up an anecdote how Jim Rutherford did that with a player at one point.  Player asked to be traded and Rutherford said "The next NHL game you play will be with our team and then we'll decide if we want to trade you".

So yeah.  It's at that point in the media.
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Training camp has been so uneventful and boring that they need to fill up the hours someway. 
 
https://twitter.com/GMillerTSN/status/1044714633737764864

My god, some GMs are so, so, so stupid.

edit: Like seriously, I'm saving this tweet the next time anybody makes an "appeal to authority" argument.
 
I know we're long past the point of expecting even basic journalistic professionalism from hockey insiders but that's just such a perfect example of how useless an anonymous source is.

Because it's pretty stupid, no matter who said it. There were always going to be comps that supported what the Leafs wanted and comps that supported what Nylander wanted. Even if Theodore was a comp that did work for the Leafs, and I think a strong argument can be made that a 26 point defenseman getting 5.2 is better for Nylander, it's not like one more example is going to drastically shift things.
 
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Maybe someone has already said this, and if so then I apologize. I have not read all of this thread.

My guess is that Marner will be signed pretty quickly after Nylander is done. He will need to be. The setup that Marner is in right now might lead to him getting 90 - 100 points. That would be great... right up until he wants $10 million per year.

My guess on Leaf wants here is:
- Nylander to a friendly 6 year deal
- Marner for more money and an 8 year deal
- Matthews for the real big cash and an 8 year deal
 
Interesting CBA wrinkle.  If the Leafs sign Nylander after the season starts, they can see a cap savings in years 2+.  Especially if they front load it.

(Note.  Not sure why Nylander would want such a high salary on the first year, if he's only getting a percentage of it)

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1045315053539545088

 
Michael said:
Maybe someone has already said this, and if so then I apologize. I have not read all of this thread.

My guess is that Marner will be signed pretty quickly after Nylander is done. He will need to be. The setup that Marner is in right now might lead to him getting 90 - 100 points. That would be great... right up until he wants $10 million per year.

My guess on Leaf wants here is:
- Nylander to a friendly 6 year deal
- Marner for more money and an 8 year deal
- Matthews for the real big cash and an 8 year deal
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If I were Marner I'd want to bet on myself to have a great season and up my value. The Leafs might want to ink him to a 8 x $8 but I'm not sure Marner would want to sign that right now. Sure, there's the security factor...but he could easily be leaving $2m/year on the table compared to a slam-dunk $10m if he racks up that 100-point season with Tavares (and makes himself an indispensable part of the PK in addition to the PP while he's at it).
 
Zee said:
One other thing I forgot. The 3rd year on that Marleau contract is hurting the Leafs here. If they had that extra $6M they could give Nylander a bit more now and not worry about it for next year with M&M coming up. That Marleau contract is actually a strike against Lou.
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My recollection is that some members of these boards claimed there was no possible way Marleau?s 3rd year would be on our books and hence we should ignore that when evaluating his signing. I?m not so sure, but we?ll see.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
I think Gardiner's upcoming contract may be the one they have to walk away from. Especially with Theodore's signing.
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They have 30 mill available next year according to Cap Friendly. 35 is the cap goes up by 5 mill and it may not. Horton I think puts it up to 40 available? In that 40 they have to pay Nylander, Marner, and Matthews, what's that? 25 million if they're lucky, leaving 15 million. They'll have to sign Leivo (ha), Kapanen, Johnsson, replace or sign Ennis, and Lindholm. Replace Hainesy. Resign or replace Carrick and they'll need a backup goaltender. That's 8 guys for 2 million on average each. that's probably dooable, but if you sign Gardiner to 7 million, that leaves 8 million to sign 8 guys, and two of them are going to want to get raises, probably (Kap and AJ).

If they get rid or Marleau's contract, maybe, but it's still super tight.
 
Bill_Berg said:
OldTimeHockey said:
I think Gardiner's upcoming contract may be the one they have to walk away from. Especially with Theodore's signing.
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They have 30 mill available next year according to Cap Friendly. 35 is the cap goes up by 5 mill and it may not. Horton I think puts it up to 40 available? In that 40 they have to pay Nylander, Marner, and Matthews, what's that? 25 million if they're lucky, leaving 15 million. They'll have to sign Leivo (ha), Kapanen, Johnsson, replace or sign Ennis, and Lindholm. Replace Hainesy. Resign or replace Carrick and they'll need a backup goaltender. That's 8 guys for 2 million on average each. that's probably dooable, but if you sign Gardiner to 7 million, that leaves 8 million to sign 8 guys, and two of them are going to want to get raises, probably (Kap and AJ).

If they get rid or Marleau's contract, maybe, but it's still super tight.
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They way Gardner is playing (not so good) he could go and bring in a great prospect or pick and save us a bundle after this season.
 
I don't think the Dubas thread should become another Nylander thread so in that spirit I'd like to point out something in a Star article. We've had unconfirmed media reports that Nylander is asking for 8 million or maybe more. A lot of people have taken that as effectively hard fact and used this one report to paint Nylander as unrealistic or greedy(despite, as I've shown, it's a fairly defensible number on a long term deal when viewed through the lens of some of his contemporaries)

But from a Star article today:

The Swedish right winger is believed to be asking for $8 million, with the Leafs countering at around $6 million. Dubas did not speak about specific numbers, but added that long-term deals can be difficult.
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There isn't any mention of term but it seems unlikely that it would be one side talking 8 years and another talking 6 at this point.

So with the caveat that we don't know anything about term:

1) I think Nylander's believed position is probably more in line with league salaries than the Leafs' believed offer

2) A two million dollar a year difference is very significant
 
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