Contracts for the Big-3

[Zee]

I think the amount is so small it's irrelevant. To wait a month to save $200K of cap hit per season which works out to just 0.25% of an $80M cap is probably not a consideration when making this decision.

It's closer to $400K per season if the deal is 6 years x $7M.  Sure on it's own it's not that significant but it adds up. If they overpay 5 guys to the tune of 3 or 400k each then it's adding up.  Each contract matters

We?re already at Nov 1, waiting another month will only save an additional 200k on a 6 year 7Mish deal.

So what's the harm of waiting? It's only 15 more games and the Leafs are 8-3

It becomes pretty high stakes at that point in time, don't you think?  They run the risk of Nylander sitting out for the season.  I guess they could try to call his bluff.  But there is a risk.  Nylander seems stubborn enough that he might do it and sit out.

Screw him, he's stayed away this long let him lose another few hundred thousand by waiting a few more weeks. This is totally not the alcohol talking cause I've been drinking heavily celebrating my brother in law getting married

 

[Bullfrog]

So what's the harm of waiting? It's only 15 more games and the Leafs are 8-3

Because he helps the team win games. and winning games is good.

 

[Zee]

So what's the harm of waiting? It's only 15 more games and the Leafs are 8-3

Because he helps the team win games. and winning games is good.

Winning is my business, and business is good!

The sake and wine have worn off from last night so I'll get back in the sign Nylander camp.

 

[Kaberle15]

Please see herman's post from earlier in the thread.  The longer they wait to sign Nylander, the lower the cap hit in future seasons (based on him signing the same contract today vs November 30th).  So yes, there is a point on it.

Didn't know that, Thanks!

$7M x 6 years signed on Dec1 (assuming it's a flat 7 in salary), would give them $8.322M in year 1, and $5.682M in years 2+.

That is worth the wait for the Leafs  and it is 1.318 in Cap hit per season after this season.

Lets see if Dubas learned the Lou way to circumvent the rules

 

[Coco-puffs]

Please see herman's post from earlier in the thread.  The longer they wait to sign Nylander, the lower the cap hit in future seasons (based on him signing the same contract today vs November 30th).  So yes, there is a point on it.

Didn't know that, Thanks!

$7M x 6 years signed on Dec1 (assuming it's a flat 7 in salary), would give them $8.322M in year 1, and $5.682M in years 2+.

That is worth the wait for the Leafs  and it is 1.318 in Cap hit per season after this season.

Lets see if Dubas learned the Lou way to circumvent the rules

Its 6.63M cap hit in years 2+ if he signs on Dec 1st.  So 370k saved per year, not 1.3M

If he were to sign Nov 1, its 6.82M cap hit in years 2+, for comparison sake. 

I'd agree with those that waiting until Dec 1st just to save 190k cap hit per year isn't worth it, especially with Matthews out.  However, it seems as though Nylander may not even take said deal until that last minute (trying to see if the Leafs twich first), so the fact that it is favorable to the Leafs to wait- even such a paltry amount- probably pushes the Leafs resolve to wait until the last minute to come to an agreement if he won't budge from his current demands. 

And the shorter the term, the more savings... so the Leafs are probably gonna wait to even come to terms on a bridge deal too.

 

[cabber24]

Nylander Math

I have read Nylander is loosing up to 20-45K per day during the holdout. So say he's loosing 35K per day if he holds out 60 days that's 2.1M. On a six-year deal, he would need the Leafs to pay him 350K more per year to pay for his holdout.

 

[AvroArrow]

So, the deadline for Nylander to sign and be able to play this year is Dec 1st.  But does he need to be signed BEFORE Dec 1st, or by end of day Dec 1st?

If it's the former, then the idea of signing him Dec 1st for an even lower cap hit means he can't play this season.

 

[ZBBM]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

 

[Zee]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

 

[Guilt Trip]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

The possibility yes. Probability, no. If the Leafs aren't going to give him 8 mill or whatever he's asking, does anyone believe another team is going to over pay him? I don't see it happening.

 

[TML fan]

Ive already resigned myself to a Nylander-less Leafs team. Frankly I don't care if it stays that way forever. I'm hoping there's a trade to be made for a high quality defenceman, and I'd be pretty disappointed if Dubas wasn't exploring that option.

 

[Zee]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

The possibility yes. Probability, no. If the Leafs aren't going to give him 8 mill or whatever he's asking, does anyone believe another team is going to over pay him? I don't see it happening.

Another team that doesn't have long term cap implications sure.  If Nylander is top or 2nd paid guy on your team you can give him 8.5 or whatever.

 

[AvroArrow]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

The possibility yes. Probability, no. If the Leafs aren't going to give him 8 mill or whatever he's asking, does anyone believe another team is going to over pay him? I don't see it happening.

Another team that doesn't have long term cap implications sure.  If Nylander is top or 2nd paid guy on your team you can give him 8.5 or whatever.

Arizona would - they're desperate for success and have enough space.

 

[Kin]

Arizona would - they're desperate for success and have enough space.

They're also desperate to stay solvent and probably have an actual internal budget that Nylander wouldn't help a great deal. Nylander almost certainly doesn't move the needle for them much in terms of being a legit contender, definitely not if you factor in a reasonable asset cost so I'd be pretty skeptical that signing him would actually accomplish anything outside of hastening their relocation.

 

[Zee]

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

The possibility yes. Probability, no. If the Leafs aren't going to give him 8 mill or whatever he's asking, does anyone believe another team is going to over pay him? I don't see it happening.

Another team that doesn't have long term cap implications sure.  If Nylander is top or 2nd paid guy on your team you can give him 8.5 or whatever.

Arizona would - they're desperate for success and have enough space.

I know Carolina rumors have been in the media alot, but looking at their cap situation the top paid player is Jordan Staal at only $6M.  They could easily fit Nylander in at a higher number and he'd help their team a lot.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I know Carolina rumors have been in the media alot, but looking at their cap situation the top paid player is Jordan Staal at only $6M.  They could easily fit Nylander in at a higher number and he'd help their team a lot.

Aho's due for a new contract this summer though and he'll likely be able to command as much if not more than Nylander with the season he's currently having. I do think if a Nylander trade had to be made something based around him for Pesce is probably the best the Leafs could do.

 

[Kaberle15]

Its 6.63M cap hit in years 2+ if he signs on Dec 1st.  So 370k saved per year, not 1.3M

If he were to sign Nov 1, its 6.82M cap hit in years 2+, for comparison sake. 

I'd agree with those that waiting until Dec 1st just to save 190k cap hit per year isn't worth it, especially with Matthews out.  However, it seems as though Nylander may not even take said deal until that last minute (trying to see if the Leafs twich first), so the fact that it is favorable to the Leafs to wait- even such a paltry amount- probably pushes the Leafs resolve to wait until the last minute to come to an agreement if he won't budge from his current demands. 

And the shorter the term, the more savings... so the Leafs are probably gonna wait to even come to terms on a bridge deal too.

Not according to @CapFriendly

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1055937637247315969

But if its only 190K is not worth it.

 

[Zee]

Its 6.63M cap hit in years 2+ if he signs on Dec 1st.  So 370k saved per year, not 1.3M

If he were to sign Nov 1, its 6.82M cap hit in years 2+, for comparison sake. 

I'd agree with those that waiting until Dec 1st just to save 190k cap hit per year isn't worth it, especially with Matthews out.  However, it seems as though Nylander may not even take said deal until that last minute (trying to see if the Leafs twich first), so the fact that it is favorable to the Leafs to wait- even such a paltry amount- probably pushes the Leafs resolve to wait until the last minute to come to an agreement if he won't budge from his current demands. 

And the shorter the term, the more savings... so the Leafs are probably gonna wait to even come to terms on a bridge deal too.

Not according to @CapFriendly

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1055937637247315969

But if its only 190K is not worth it.

I've replied to capfriendly on this.  They're contradicting themselves on the cap hit in years 2 through 6.  Let's see what they say.

 

[Zee]

The original capfriendly post was correct (i.e. cap hit in years 2-6 would be $6.63)

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1057628405947088896?s=19

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The original capfriendly post was correct (i.e. cap hit in years 2-6 would be $6.63)

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1057628405947088896?s=19

Per the rules of the internet you're now CapFriendly.