Contracts for the Big-3

[Kaberle15]

So, IMHO, it is almost 400K in savings and kind of not worth the process. I would totally understand if that 1.3Mi in cap hit savings was the main goal.

#FreeWilly

 

[Bates]

Ckayton Keller would love to see this signing, as would the Houston owner in waiting. The Coyotes have an owner with no money bleeding money.  I doubt he is interested in becoming a Cap team. 

According to McKenzie, both sides are incredibly dug in.  Sounds like a WWI truce.

Ah well, I never thought the last playoff game I saw Nylander play would be his last as a Leaf, and yet the possibility is now upon us.

The possibility yes. Probability, no. If the Leafs aren't going to give him 8 mill or whatever he's asking, does anyone believe another team is going to over pay him? I don't see it happening.

Another team that doesn't have long term cap implications sure.  If Nylander is top or 2nd paid guy on your team you can give him 8.5 or whatever.

Arizona would - they're desperate for success and have enough space.

 

[Frank E]

So, IMHO, it is almost 400K in savings and kind of not worth the process. I would totally understand if that 1.3Mi in cap hit savings was the main goal.

#FreeWilly

Every little bit counts going into next season.

 

[herman]

The original capfriendly post was correct (i.e. cap hit in years 2-6 would be $6.63)

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1057628405947088896?s=19

Per the rules of the internet you're now CapFriendly.

Is there a ceremony for handing over the contact list, passwords to the site, and the Ti-83?

 

[princedpw]

I know Carolina rumors have been in the media alot, but looking at their cap situation the top paid player is Jordan Staal at only $6M.  They could easily fit Nylander in at a higher number and he'd help their team a lot.

Aho's due for a new contract this summer though and he'll likely be able to command as much if not more than Nylander with the season he's currently having. I do think if a Nylander trade had to be made something based around him for Pesce is probably the best the Leafs could do.

I don't really know Pesce at all but it sounds like this would be sad.  I want those awesome Nylander carries through the neutral zone.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I know Carolina rumors have been in the media alot, but looking at their cap situation the top paid player is Jordan Staal at only $6M.  They could easily fit Nylander in at a higher number and he'd help their team a lot.

Aho's due for a new contract this summer though and he'll likely be able to command as much if not more than Nylander with the season he's currently having. I do think if a Nylander trade had to be made something based around him for Pesce is probably the best the Leafs could do.

I don't really know Pesce at all but it sounds like this would be sad.  I want those awesome Nylander carries through the neutral zone.

If Willy doesn't budge you won't be seeing them this season. My guess is if it comes to no movement, he sits the whole year. I don't see Dubas trading him unless the return blows him away.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't really know Pesce at all but it sounds like this would be sad.  I want those awesome Nylander carries through the neutral zone.

Pesce is a very underrated player who would be the best right-handed defenceman the team has had since... Robert Svehla (god that's depressing). I love Nylander and think some people greatly underestimate the positive effect he has on the team but if we HAVE to trade him because of these contract demands I could tolerate a Pesce deal.

 

[Zee]

Pesce means fish in Italian and I don't want to trade Nylander for fish

 

[hockeyfan1]

Pesce means fish in Italian and I don't want to trade Nylander for fish

They'll be calling him Brad the Fish.  Nifty Willy sounds so much nicer. 

 

[Zee]

It's November 1st!

We have 30 days and this will all get resolved!!!

a) Nylander signs
b) Nylander is traded
c) Nylander sits out the entire season

Clarification is coming soon!!!

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

It's November 1st!

We have 30 days and this will all get resolved!!!

a) Nylander signs
b) Nylander is traded
c) Nylander sits out the entire season

Clarification is coming soon!!!

Which is stupid because;

a)I don't think the Leafs are going to come up much more.  I don't think they will suddenly cave to Nylander's demands.

b)A trade will most likely hinge on the other team being able to sign Nylander, I don't think another team will give Nylander what he wants.

c) This is a really stupid choice on Nylander's part if it comes to this.  I can't remember anyone missing an entire season with a contract dispute.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

b)A trade will most likely hinge on the other team being able to sign Nylander, I don't think another team will give Nylander what he wants.

This gets brought up a number of times, but I'm not sure it's the case. There's been reports of multiple teams asking the Leafs about Nylander. His contract demands are pretty well publicized, so it's not like they aren't aware of what he wants. A team like Carolina obviously has to know he isn't going to suddenly change his mind and sign a long-term deal at $6mil with them. Any team asking about Nylander has to be pretty confident in their ability to sign him.

 

[Kin]

This gets brought up a number of times, but I'm not sure it's the case. There's been reports of multiple teams asking the Leafs about Nylander. His contract demands are pretty well publicized, so it's not like they aren't aware of what he wants. A team like Carolina obviously has to know he isn't going to suddenly change his mind and sign a long-term deal at $6mil with them. Any team asking about Nylander has to be pretty confident in their ability to sign him.

At the very least, another team might be willing to move closer to what Nylander wants. If another team looks at Nylander as a 70+ point centre long term, they very well may be willing to go in at 7 or 7.5 even if 8+ is too rich for them.

 

[Zee]

b)A trade will most likely hinge on the other team being able to sign Nylander, I don't think another team will give Nylander what he wants.

This gets brought up a number of times, but I'm not sure it's the case. There's been reports of multiple teams asking the Leafs about Nylander. His contract demands are pretty well publicized, so it's not like they aren't aware of what he wants. A team like Carolina obviously has to know he isn't going to suddenly change his mind and sign a long-term deal at $6mil with them. Any team asking about Nylander has to be pretty confident in their ability to sign him.

Dubas was pretty confident in his ability to sign him too.  What the GM thinks and what the agent/player thinks don't always align as we've painfully found out.

 

[Zee]

It's November 1st!

We have 30 days and this will all get resolved!!!

a) Nylander signs
b) Nylander is traded
c) Nylander sits out the entire season

Clarification is coming soon!!!

Which is stupid because;

a)I don't think the Leafs are going to come up much more.  I don't think they will suddenly cave to Nylander's demands.

b)A trade will most likely hinge on the other team being able to sign Nylander, I don't think another team will give Nylander what he wants.

c) This is a really stupid choice on Nylander's part if it comes to this.  I can't remember anyone missing an entire season with a contract dispute.

It's been a well publicized the last guy to miss an entire season due to a contract dispute was Michael Peca in Buffalo. This was before the salary cap era, and the team was just too cheap to pay him and things got personal.  They eventually traded him before the next season began.

Here's an article in the Athletic about the Peca/Nylander situations (if you're a subscriber)

https://theathletic.com/605737/2018/10/22/lebrun-comparing-michael-pecas-contract-dispute-to-william-nylanders-and-the-importance-of-open-dialogue/

 

[Kin]

Dubas was pretty confident in his ability to sign him too.  What the GM thinks and what the agent/player thinks don't always align as we've painfully found out.

I think what Carlton is saying is that a team trading for Nylander will effectively be doing so with the knowledge that they'll be willing to give him a deal he'll take. That's not the same thing as Dubas thinking Nylander will eventually agree to terms.

The thing is, Carlton's right but it's kind of a semantic difference. Yes, a team that trades for Nylander will probably be willing to sign him at his ask or close to it. That said, Nylander's high price will probably scare some teams off. So the issue is still fundamentally whether or not there's a team out there willing to both give the Leafs a good deal and give Nylander what he's looking for.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubas was pretty confident in his ability to sign him too.  What the GM thinks and what the agent/player thinks don't always align as we've painfully found out.

I think what Carlton is saying is that a team trading for Nylander will effectively be doing so with the knowledge that they'll be willing to give him a deal he'll take. That's not the same thing as Dubas thinking Nylander will eventually agree to terms.

Right. Dubas was pretty confident in his ability to sign him when he had months and months to do so. Any team acquiring him now will only have weeks, and (if trade talks do become serious) will know for a fact that Nylander would rather take a trade outside of Toronto than come down significantly in his asking price. Carolina isn't going to give up assets to acquire Nylander only to play hardball with him for a few weeks while the December 1st deadline comes up.

 

[Zee]

Dubas was pretty confident in his ability to sign him too.  What the GM thinks and what the agent/player thinks don't always align as we've painfully found out.

I think what Carlton is saying is that a team trading for Nylander will effectively be doing so with the knowledge that they'll be willing to give him a deal he'll take. That's not the same thing as Dubas thinking Nylander will eventually agree to terms.

The thing is, Carlton's right but it's kind of a semantic difference. Yes, a team that trades for Nylander will probably be willing to sign him at his ask or close to it. That said, Nylander's high price will probably scare some teams off. So the issue is still fundamentally whether or not there's a team out there willing to both give the Leafs a good deal and give Nylander what he's looking for.

That's a large gap.  I believe Dubas is smart enough not to give Nylander away in a bad trade (Larsson for Hall), so his ask in a trade would most likely be a hindrance to a deal when you consider what you pointed out that a team might have to give Nylander what he wants in a contract.  The team in question would have to determine if giving away a really good player and/or prospects + signing Nylander to $8M/year is worth it, and many might come to the conclusion that it isn't.  So the stalemate goes on.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

It's been a well publicized the last guy to miss an entire season due to a contract dispute was Michael Peca in Buffalo. This was before the salary cap era, and the team was just too cheap to pay him and things got personal.  They eventually traded him before the next season began.

Here's an article in the Athletic about the Peca/Nylander situations (if you're a subscriber)

https://theathletic.com/605737/2018/10/22/lebrun-comparing-michael-pecas-contract-dispute-to-william-nylanders-and-the-importance-of-open-dialogue/

18 years ago. 

 

[Kin]

That's a large gap.  I believe Dubas is smart enough not to give Nylander away in a bad trade (Larsson for Hall), so his ask in a trade would most likely be a hindrance to a deal when you consider what you pointed out that a team might have to give Nylander what he wants in a contract.

At some point though, and that point is coming up, it's not a question about whether or not Dubas is smart, it's about having to make a decision and if the decisions Dubas has are either give Nylander the contract he wants, trade Nylander for the best he can do or let Nylander sit out the season then there's no "good" choice there. Then it's just about the least bad option and that may be door #2.