Contracts for the Big-3

[Bullfrog]

Still not following? I guess I don't know my twitter acronyms?

The official Leafs Media twitter account is @LeafsPR; this fake one is @LeafsRr. If you're not paying attention, you might miss it and think this post is from the real account.

 

[TML fan]

What team is going to offer up over 8 Mill for this guy when they basically will have to trade us two of their best players and probably a first to cover it. I just can't see it happening. 
Shanahan and Dubas are going to make him sit a year as an example to the others or let him take his chances flying on Aeroflot.
Its also in the interest of all other GM's

Probably none, but a number would likely offer him $7-7.5mil I'd imagine. And that's something the Leafs reportedly haven't gotten to.

Can the Leafs fit that under the cap?

 

[Coco-puffs]

What team is going to offer up over 8 Mill for this guy when they basically will have to trade us two of their best players and probably a first to cover it. I just can't see it happening. 
Shanahan and Dubas are going to make him sit a year as an example to the others or let him take his chances flying on Aeroflot.
Its also in the interest of all other GM's

Probably none, but a number would likely offer him $7-7.5mil I'd imagine. And that's something the Leafs reportedly haven't gotten to.

Can the Leafs fit that under the cap?

Yes, they absolutely can.  It might mean trading Brown or Hyman and replacing them with a guy on a cheaper deal, but the difference between what Toronto is currently offering and that is less than 1M

 

[TML fan]

If that's the case I'd say they are probably just waiting until the last possible moment to maximize cap savings. They've probably already got a deal ready to go that Nylander will take. They're just waiting to see if he will blink first.

 

[Coco-puffs]

If that's the case I'd say they are probably just waiting until the last possible moment to maximize cap savings. They've probably already got a deal ready to go that Nylander will take. They're just waiting to see if he will blink first.

I highly doubt they are waiting for cap savings.  At this point the difference is minimal.  If Willy and the Leafs have agreed to a deal in the 7-7.5M per (assuming 6yrs+) then it would have been announced already

 

[princedpw]

Nearly got hoodwinked by this. Let?s see how everyone?s reading comprehension is today.

https://twitter.com/leafsrr/status/1062902587114971136

This was a naughty post herman.

 

[princedpw]

If we get to a point where both parties know there is no longer time to make a trade and have the new team sign Nylander, but there is time for the leafs to sign him, does it change anything?  At that point, the only option is to sign a contract or sit out the rest of the year. 

Sitting out the year vs signing a slightly bad 2-year contract seems much worse for both sides.  For instance:

(1) 2-year, 10 million contract, vs
(2) sitting out

Wouldn't both sides pick (1)?

I guess the difficulty is that both sides should also pick either of these options:

(3) 2-year, 12 million contract
(4) 2-year, 8 million contract

over option 2 as well. and they could well be jockeying over the difference between 4 and 6 million per year over those two years?

There was also some article about the possibility of a 1-year contract, but it seems to me that a 1-year contract is worse for all sides than a 2-year contract.  With just 1 year, Nylander takes a big risk that he has trouble catching up on this season and it is still difficult to get full value.  And of course the leafs have to dance with the big 3 + gardiner simultaneously.

 

[ZBBM]

Still not following? I guess I don't know my twitter acronyms?

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In the Olden Days the team never announced terms of signings ? do they do that now?

BTW the other thing that gives it away is the random capitalization of "Restricted."  It's not quite a Nigerian fraudster-level giveaway, but only complete morons do that.





like Donald Trump

 

[Deebo]

In the Olden Days the team never announced terms of signings ? do they do that now?

Yes, the Leafs have been disclosing contract terms since Dubas took over.

 

[ZBBM]

In the Olden Days the team never announced terms of signings ? do they do that now?

Yes, the Leafs have been disclosing contract terms since Dubas took over.

Too bad.  I liked the absurd coyness, when they pretended to keep it a secret even though McKenzie had already passed on the terms of the deal.

 

[TML fan]

If that's the case I'd say they are probably just waiting until the last possible moment to maximize cap savings. They've probably already got a deal ready to go that Nylander will take. They're just waiting to see if he will blink first.

I highly doubt they are waiting for cap savings.  At this point the difference is minimal.  If Willy and the Leafs have agreed to a deal in the 7-7.5M per (assuming 6yrs+) then it would have been announced already

Not necessarily. Sometimes businesses have a "worst case scenario" contract drawn up that is likely the other side will agree to, to keep in reserve in case things go down to the wire. This offer would not have been presented to Nylander yet.

Minimal cap savings is still better than no cap savings. It's also possible Nylander would have buckled. They aren't going to trade him, so all that's left is to give in. They would have had to know how high they could go in advance so it seems to me that they'd have something drawn up already.

 

[Frank E]

In the Olden Days the team never announced terms of signings ? do they do that now?

Yes, the Leafs have been disclosing contract terms since Dubas took over.

Too bad.  I liked the absurd coyness, when they pretended to keep it a secret even though McKenzie had already passed on the terms of the deal.

I got a kick out of it too.  The press release would just say "5 year deal", "the club does not disclose financial terms"...then it's on Capfriendly 5 minutes later.

 

[Kin]

Not necessarily. Sometimes businesses have a "worst case scenario" contract drawn up that is likely the other side will agree to, to keep in reserve in case things go down to the wire. This offer would not have been presented to Nylander yet.

Minimal cap savings is still better than no cap savings. It's also possible Nylander would have buckled. They aren't going to trade him, so all that's left is to give in. They would have had to know how high they could go in advance so it seems to me that they'd have something drawn up already.

NHL contracts are pretty standard. You wouldn't really need to prepare anything short of the standard language with a couple of spaces blank for the specific amounts and term.

 

[Frank E]

Not necessarily. Sometimes businesses have a "worst case scenario" contract drawn up that is likely the other side will agree to, to keep in reserve in case things go down to the wire. This offer would not have been presented to Nylander yet.

Minimal cap savings is still better than no cap savings. It's also possible Nylander would have buckled. They aren't going to trade him, so all that's left is to give in. They would have had to know how high they could go in advance so it seems to me that they'd have something drawn up already.

NHL contracts are pretty standard. You wouldn't really need to prepare anything short of the standard language with a couple of spaces blank for the specific amounts and term.

And that's exactly why the talk from both sides "this is going to take some time", "we have dialogue", and "both sides are still in communication" is all horse feathers.

 

[TML fan]

Not necessarily. Sometimes businesses have a "worst case scenario" contract drawn up that is likely the other side will agree to, to keep in reserve in case things go down to the wire. This offer would not have been presented to Nylander yet.

Minimal cap savings is still better than no cap savings. It's also possible Nylander would have buckled. They aren't going to trade him, so all that's left is to give in. They would have had to know how high they could go in advance so it seems to me that they'd have something drawn up already.

NHL contracts are pretty standard. You wouldn't really need to prepare anything short of the standard language with a couple of spaces blank for the specific amounts and term.

Ok fair enough. The point is I believe the Leafs are prepared to offer him something he will take and have been for some time. Whether they are holding off for minimal cap savings or they were just hoping Nylander would cave, I don't know. The Leafs have been chugging along just fine without him so there's really been no incentive on the Leafs end to get the deal done until they absolutely have to.

I was irritated at Nylander at the start of the season and I can't pretend that his position resonates with me given how much these guys make, but I understand it. I would be shocked if he's traded and moreso if he doesn't sign around the deadline. I don't think it makes sense for him to miss an entire season and I think the Leafs are prepared to move closer to him when it comes down to the wire.

 

[herman]

Nearly got hoodwinked by this. Let?s see how everyone?s reading comprehension is today.

https://twitter.com/leafsrr/status/1062902587114971136

This was a naughty post herman.

*chuckles* That's not a naughty post. That's a naughty post.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

With Kapenen's season to date, I think this can be re-titled to "Contracts for the Big 4"

 

[dappleganger]

With Kapenen's season to date, I think this can be re-titled to "Contracts for the Big 4"

20 goals, 60 points = *$8m/year.


*Must have good possession stats and a mean stick check.

 

[sickbeast]

Nylander's contract dispute was the best thing that ever happened to Kasperi Kapanen.  He doesn't have the same elite level of offensive talent as Nylander, however Kapanen is faster, harder working, much better defensively, bigger and more physical, and more of a team player.  I really like him.

Kapanen reminds me of Hyman and Marner in the sense that he has a relentless work ethic.  He's a fast skater also.  That's the type of player you want on your team, IMO.

 

[Highlander]

Nylander's contract dispute was the best thing that ever happened to Kasperi Kapanen.  He doesn't have the same elite level of offensive talent as Nylander, however Kapanen is faster, harder working, much better defensively, bigger and more physical, and more of a team player.  I really like him.

Kapanen reminds me of Hyman and Marner in the sense that he has a relentless work ethic.  He's a fast skater also.  That's the type of player you want on your team, IMO.

Starting to look like a great deal for Kessel,  Freddie A and Kapi came out of it.