Contracts for the Big-3

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1068214677119873026

Lou would not have allowed this (to be said).

 

[herman]

My parents are landing at Pearson Friday night and already have a pick up arranged and I sort of want to just go anyway (but kind of not for them).

 

[Kin]

Well, it'll be resolved soon one way or the other.

 

[Hobbes]

Here's a thought. What if we signed Nylander, and traded other players instead.

Herm, my dude, you really don't want to hear what I think of your boy Dubas for not just signing Nylander months ago.

If it was at the $8m+ he was reportedly demanding months ago I suspect the tirade you'd unleash on Dubas would have been related to very poor cap management and caving in too soon.

 

[herman]

GM Herman would've been like, OPRAH.GIF ACTIVATE
29: 8x8
16: 9x8
34: 11x8

Sorry, bye 22, 28, probably 51, 11

Meanwhile, salary cap goes to 100M because the Leafs are raking it

 

[Kin]

If it was at the $8m+ he was reportedly demanding months ago I suspect the tirade you'd unleash on Dubas would have been related to very poor cap management and caving in too soon.

You can see in this very thread that that's not true.

 

[cabber24]

I mean if this really ends up in a trade with a deal reportedly $300-500k away then I'd be pretty upset with both sides.

I'll be fairly upset with a trade regardless of how far apart they are but the thing that I'd really not understand is regardless of where the gap is, whether Dubas has moved up or Nylander do4wn is that it seems really hard to me to believe that there's a 300-500k gap that could possibly reflect the difference between a good and bad deal to Dubas.

The $300-500K is not the gap between a good or bad deal to Dubas if you don't know whether he considers his last offer with movement a good or bad deal. Not that hard to understand. He might be willing to sign what he considers a bad $6.9 million dollar deal as opposed to his $6.5 OK deal or his $6 million good deal. So really the difference isn't $300K

What gap? No one has a clue if or what gap there is. Total speculation.

 

[herman]

If it was at the $8m+ he was reportedly demanding months ago I suspect the tirade you'd unleash on Dubas would have been related to very poor cap management and caving in too soon.

You can see in this very thread that that's not true.

Yeah, Nik doesn't do tirades. They're treatises. Which I pronounce as treatsies in my head.

 

[cabber24]

GM Herman would've been like, OPRAH.GIF ACTIVATE
29: 8x8
16: 9x8
34: 11x8

Sorry, bye 22, 28, probably 51, 11

Meanwhile, salary cap goes to 100M because the Leafs are raking it

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

 

[L K]

Obviously there has to be a limit to what Dubas can accept but at the end of the day, even if we end up signing Nylander, at this point it has to go down as a failure on Dubas' part.  He was the one who put the expectation out there with his comments after signing Tavares.  We just played 30 games without one of our best players and that just simply isn't a good thing.

And how is that a failure on Dubas? I remember an interview where Dubas said he talked to the Big 3 before signing JT and all were good with it so I would think he mentioned money going forward for them. We may never find out what has been offered.

Talking to everyone and saying "hey will you take a bit of a pay cut to get JT here" is different than say the difference between Nylander wanting 8 million and offering 6 million.  I think the biggest problem is that we have been debating media numbers when the Leafs have been historically tight lipped about numbers and even with Dubas being more media friendly he has not been one to disclose negotiation points in detail.

You can agree to take one for the team, but the simple fact that we are sitting here in essentially December without a resolution has to go on the GM.  It's his job to navigate this stuff and thus far he has been unsuccessful.

 

[bustaheims]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

 

[herman]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

How does this calculation break down?

Also, how can I help game it?

 

[TML fan]

Obviously there has to be a limit to what Dubas can accept but at the end of the day, even if we end up signing Nylander, at this point it has to go down as a failure on Dubas' part.  He was the one who put the expectation out there with his comments after signing Tavares.  We just played 30 games without one of our best players and that just simply isn't a good thing.

And how is that a failure on Dubas? I remember an interview where Dubas said he talked to the Big 3 before signing JT and all were good with it so I would think he mentioned money going forward for them. We may never find out what has been offered.

Talking to everyone and saying "hey will you take a bit of a pay cut to get JT here" is different than say the difference between Nylander wanting 8 million and offering 6 million.  I think the biggest problem is that we have been debating media numbers when the Leafs have been historically tight lipped about numbers and even with Dubas being more media friendly he has not been one to disclose negotiation points in detail.

You can agree to take one for the team, but the simple fact that we are sitting here in essentially December without a resolution has to go on the GM.  It's his job to navigate this stuff and thus far he has been unsuccessful.

What's the rush? They're still winning games.

 

[cabber24]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

How does this calculation break down?

Also, how can I help game it?

I attempted this calculation in the past, I wonder if I can find it.

 

[cabber24]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

 

[L K]

Obviously there has to be a limit to what Dubas can accept but at the end of the day, even if we end up signing Nylander, at this point it has to go down as a failure on Dubas' part.  He was the one who put the expectation out there with his comments after signing Tavares.  We just played 30 games without one of our best players and that just simply isn't a good thing.

And how is that a failure on Dubas? I remember an interview where Dubas said he talked to the Big 3 before signing JT and all were good with it so I would think he mentioned money going forward for them. We may never find out what has been offered.

Talking to everyone and saying "hey will you take a bit of a pay cut to get JT here" is different than say the difference between Nylander wanting 8 million and offering 6 million.  I think the biggest problem is that we have been debating media numbers when the Leafs have been historically tight lipped about numbers and even with Dubas being more media friendly he has not been one to disclose negotiation points in detail.

You can agree to take one for the team, but the simple fact that we are sitting here in essentially December without a resolution has to go on the GM.  It's his job to navigate this stuff and thus far he has been unsuccessful.

What's the rush? They're still winning games.

Winning games but also in a tough division where they could finish with a top 10 record and never play a home playoff series.  Points in October/November still matter.  They are winning but they also went through a stretch where they struggled to score at home and depth certainly plays a factor in that.

 

[Zee]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

Alright fine, how many Leafs jerseys should each of us buy to make this happen?

 

[L K]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

I see this a lot and while I agree that revenues will bump with the Leafs better, do they honestly sell that much more?  People had no problem throwing 200 dollar jerseys on the ice when the Leafs stunk while paying for expensive tickets.  I'm doubtful that the Leafs are going to meaningfully fluctuate the cap even if they won the Cup.

 

[cabber24]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

Where did you get the $62M number from? My math spits out exactly that.

 

[dappleganger]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

Alright fine, how many Leafs jerseys should each of us buy to make this happen?

I can be persuaded to buy a Matthews, Marner, and Tavares jersey for my daughters.