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Contracts for the Big-3

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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Speaking from my perspective as a partisan fan, Nylander is beginning to bug me.

Last I heard, the Leafs haven't even tabled 6.9M yet. They're going to fully use the deadline pressure to see which side blinks first.
 
Highlander said:
Question, this deal needs to be done by or on the 1st?  Is there a cut off time on the 1st for him to sign?

Contract has to be filed (correctly) with the league by 5:00 pm Eastern on December 1st.
 
Highlander said:
herman said:
Highlander said:
Question, this deal needs to be done by or on the 1st?  Is there a cut off time on the 1st for him to sign?

Contract has to be filed (correctly) with the league by 5:00 pm Eastern on December 1st.
What if the fax machine jams?? ;)

Nik said earlier the League and Teams would still be ok with that.
 
Zee said:
Bill_Berg said:
Three days. Something is going to happen! I'm excited.
Elliot Friedman said he thinks it's the end for Nylander in Toronto. That even if he signs he'll be traded by the draft. Don't shoot messenger

Honestly, I'm tired.  Ever since the Leafs drafted Matthews it's been a non-stop "time to trade Nylander".  Every single day they have paraded this nonsense.  They conjecture about stuff and while I sure they hear some insider stuff so much of it has been pure nonsense.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I mean if this really ends up in a trade with a deal reportedly $300-500k away then I'd be pretty upset with both sides.

I'll be fairly upset with a trade regardless of how far apart they are but the thing that I'd really not understand is regardless of where the gap is, whether Dubas has moved up or Nylander down is that it seems really hard to me to believe that there's a 300-500k gap that could possibly reflect the difference between a good and bad deal to Dubas.
 
Nik the Trik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I mean if this really ends up in a trade with a deal reportedly $300-500k away then I'd be pretty upset with both sides.

I'll be fairly upset with a trade regardless of how far apart they are but the thing that I'd really not understand is regardless of where the gap is, whether Dubas has moved up or Nylander down is that it seems really hard to me to believe that there's a 300-500k gap that could possibly reflect the difference between a good and bad deal to Dubas.

It depends on how far Dubas already moved. As example if he is up for 6 to 6.9, maybe his limit is already passed.
 
Nik the Trik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I mean if this really ends up in a trade with a deal reportedly $300-500k away then I'd be pretty upset with both sides.

I'll be fairly upset with a trade regardless of how far apart they are but the thing that I'd really not understand is regardless of where the gap is, whether Dubas has moved up or Nylander down is that it seems really hard to me to believe that there's a 300-500k gap that could possibly reflect the difference between a good and bad deal to Dubas.

Obviously there has to be a limit to what Dubas can accept but at the end of the day, even if we end up signing Nylander, at this point it has to go down as a failure on Dubas' part.  He was the one who put the expectation out there with his comments after signing Tavares.  We just played 30 games without one of our best players and that just simply isn't a good thing.
 
Bates said:
It depends on how far Dubas already moved.

Like I said, I don't think that's true. If 6.9 is a deal that works for the team, I really don't think I could buy the argument that 7.2 or 7.4 is enough of a difference that it would justify not getting a deal done.

Even if Dubas has gone all the way up to, say, 7.5 I don't think I'd buy the argument that 7.5 works but 8 doesn't. At that point it would read to me like it being more about "winning" and less about what's good for the team.
 
I guess what I find is a bit of a shame, is that we've got probably the best team since 93, we have a player that is 3rd in the LEAGUE in points, and this has been by far the most popular thread.

I honestly hope they trade him so more focus is on the amazing season they're having.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Bates said:
It depends on how far Dubas already moved.

Like I said, I don't think that's true. If 6.9 is a deal that works for the team, I really don't think I could buy the argument that 7.2 or 7.4 is enough of a difference that it would justify not getting a deal done.

Even if Dubas has gone all the way up to, say, 7.5 I don't think I'd buy the argument that 7.5 works but 8 doesn't. At that point it would read to me like it being more about "winning" and less about what's good for the team.

Yeah it doesn't quite work that way or really no salary is too much. Just because Dubas moved past the point he was comfortable with a and felt fair doesn't mean another small move shouldn't matter. The Cap dictates it.
 
Bates said:
The Cap dictates it.

No, it doesn't. The value of 300k is static. What it reflects is largely insignificant. I don't think there's a contract in the league you can point to and say that 300k would reflect a serious shift in whether or not it was a good deal for the team or a serious impediment to that player being traded.

If Dubas was of the opinion that Nylander at anything more than 6 million dollars per year was a bad value contract for the team, which is already pretty stupid, then that would be one thing but thinking the difference between good and bad value is reflected by .2% of the cap is bordering on insane.
 
Frycer14 said:
I guess what I find is a bit of a shame, is that we've got probably the best team since 93, we have a player that is 3rd in the LEAGUE in points, and this has been by far the most popular thread.

For what it's worth this place is more or less always like that. There's far more focus on things not going well or the actual issues the team is facing than on the things going right. If Nylander were signed, or traded, we'd probably be talking about why the Marner/Matthews deals aren't done or what they can do about the defense or whatever.

"Everything is awesome" isn't really terrific discussion fodder.
 
Frycer14 said:
I guess what I find is a bit of a shame, is that we've got probably the best team since 93, we have a player that is 3rd in the LEAGUE in points, and this has been by far the most popular thread.

I honestly hope they trade him so more focus is on the amazing season they're having.

If he comes back and dominates alongside Matthews, we will quickly forget about this thread (thankfully).
 
Nik the Trik said:
Bates said:
The Cap dictates it.

No, it doesn't. The value of 300k is static. What it reflects is largely insignificant. I don't think there's a contract in the league you can point to and say that 300k would reflect a serious shift in whether or not it was a good deal for the team or a serious impediment to that player being traded.

If Dubas was of the opinion that Nylander at anything more than 6 million dollars per year was a bad value contract for the team, which is already pretty stupid, then that would be one thing but thinking the difference between good and bad value is reflected by .2% of the cap is bordering on insane.

And we start again, It's only $300K if you assume that's  the only movement there has been. Dubas might have already moved a million and accepted that it would cost his team Gardiner, maybe he is unwilling to go another $500K at the cost of Kapanan. Obviously both just examples as I,  like you have almost no real info.
 
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