Coronavirus

[Bender]

I should be skeptical of until we see it in the data.

Pretty sure it was a "data analysis"

So I just listened to it about 3/4 of the way. He's basically just looking at number of cases, hospitalized & ICU charts, which is fine, but it's more of an update on where things stand as of a week or two ago rather than using the data to see where things are headed.

In any case, we all know what's happening in Ontario, and hopefully things don't get too bad, but the cancellation of surgeries again is really awful.

 

[Frank E]

I should be skeptical of until we see it in the data.

Pretty sure it was a "data analysis"

So I just listened to it about 3/4 of the way. He's basically just looking at number of cases, hospitalized & ICU charts, which is fine, but it's more of an update on where things stand as of a week or two ago rather than using the data to see where things are headed.

In any case, we all know what's happening in Ontario, and hopefully things don't get too bad, but the cancellation of surgeries again is really awful.

My mistake Bender, here is the latest one I was referring to from Sunday:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLbJ0H8zdc

That's the one where he dives into current research from South Africa, with the Omicron vs. Delta info etc...

 

[Frank E]

Well, this should get some of those hesitant folks moving:  https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-may-soon-require-covid-19-vaccine-passports-to-access-liquor-and-cannabis-stores-1.5726905

 

[L K]

Well, this should get some of those hesitant folks moving:  https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-may-soon-require-covid-19-vaccine-passports-to-access-liquor-and-cannabis-stores-1.5726905

This is where we should be for everything at this point.  I'm honestly done.  Three COVID ICU admissions yesterday.  All were non-vaxxed.  A steady stream of likely COVID (can't test anymore) and a bunch of long-haul post-covid people who can't tolerate the chronic joint pain and ongoing shortness of breath with exertion.

 

[Deebo]

Well, this should get some of those hesitant folks moving:  https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-may-soon-require-covid-19-vaccine-passports-to-access-liquor-and-cannabis-stores-1.5726905

This is where we should be for everything at this point.  I'm honestly done.  Three COVID ICU admissions yesterday.  All were non-vaxxed.  A steady stream of likely COVID (can't test anymore) and a bunch of long-haul post-covid people who can't tolerate the chronic joint pain and ongoing shortness of breath with exertion.

Have you seen more non icu covid hospitalzations with the fully vaxxed? The data I've been downloading seems to suggest that the last couple weeks have seen an increase there, while ICUs are still predominantly unvaxxed.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm all for requiring proof of vaccination for every single non-essential activity, service, etc. No vax (without legit medical exemption)? You can go to the grocery store (and only actual grocery stores - not Costco, Walmart, etc.), the drug store, gas station (pay at the pump only), doctor/hospital, and, if you can't work remotely, your job. Everything else? Get vaxxed or get it online.

 

[Deebo]

Herd immunity has been talked about since the beginning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.onmanorama.com/lifestyle/health/2021/09/24/covid-will-end-with-delta-fda.html

And I just googled that in 2 seconds.

Yeah, I found one or two people saying that, but it didn't seem like a widely held opinion.

Even so, that's not the main point. The point is we don't know exactly where this is going, just like most didn't really predict Omicron (although there were many out there that said a more transmissible variant with immune escape is possible), but that's kind of the point. We just don't know yet.

If your main point is we don't know exactly where we are going, then I agree with you, we don't.

But a milder more infectous variant that seems to provide immunity against older variants taking over does seem like a step towards covid becoming endemic. Hopefully thats the case and any further variants continue that way.

 

[L K]

Well, this should get some of those hesitant folks moving:  https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-may-soon-require-covid-19-vaccine-passports-to-access-liquor-and-cannabis-stores-1.5726905

This is where we should be for everything at this point.  I'm honestly done.  Three COVID ICU admissions yesterday.  All were non-vaxxed.  A steady stream of likely COVID (can't test anymore) and a bunch of long-haul post-covid people who can't tolerate the chronic joint pain and ongoing shortness of breath with exertion.

Have you seen more non icu covid hospitalzations with the fully vaxxed? The data I've been downloading seems to suggest that the last couple weeks have seen an increase there, while ICUs are still predominantly unvaxxed.

Definitely.  Although I would say that just on my own case load its primarily been non-admission but requiring supplemental oxygen therapy at home.  We are really trying to keep people out of hospital unless absolutely necessary at this point.  It's not covid admissions that are causing our hospital system to collapse, just overall admission in general.  We have been at unsafe nurseatient ratios (fantastic manageratient ratios however!) for quite some time and it just continues to get worse as we struggle to hire more staff.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/1478746550247567360
and the case counts are always understated due to the provincial government's inaction to build testing/tracing capacity.

 

[Frank E]

They're going to do it!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/vaccination-passport-saq-sqdc-covid-hospitalizations-1.6305992


EDIT:  But I think you can still buy booze in grocery stores and convenience stores in Quebec, right?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They're going to do it!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/vaccination-passport-saq-sqdc-covid-hospitalizations-1.6305992

It's not getting as many headlines but the article also mentions that they'll expand the passport system to include personal care services. It always kinda surprised me that those were never included originally.

 

[Joe S.]

They're going to do it!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/vaccination-passport-saq-sqdc-covid-hospitalizations-1.6305992


EDIT:  But I think you can still buy booze in grocery stores and convenience stores in Quebec, right?

Yes. You can buy booze at Costco as well.

From the article:
? The health minister also highlighted the fact that about half the people with COVID-19 being admitted into ICUs are unvaccinated.?

That didn?t sit well with me. Isn?t that fuel for the anti vaccine crowd?

 

[Frank E]

They're going to do it!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/vaccination-passport-saq-sqdc-covid-hospitalizations-1.6305992


EDIT:  But I think you can still buy booze in grocery stores and convenience stores in Quebec, right?

Yes. You can buy booze at Costco as well.

From the article:
? The health minister also highlighted the fact that about half the people with COVID-19 being admitted into ICUs are unvaccinated.?

That didn?t sit well with me. Isn?t that fuel for the anti vaccine crowd?

Considering they're only 15% of the population, but 50% of the ICU?

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/antonyslumbers/status/1479148760856940545

 

[herman]

*looks at what?s being reported from NYC schools, which were forced open for in-person classes all week

*closes browser tab
That?s enough apocalypse for today.

 

[madkenstalin]

How long do you think you'll have your latest restrictions? Our only ones right now are masks in shops/public transport and a covid passport to get into sports stadia/music venues.
146390 cases today - a drop of 16k on last week and finally government are not locking down further.
I think it's a different scenario to a year ago, pre vaccines. We have to accept it will be here now, and vaccines will massively cut down on the worst scenario.
More than half of our workforce have had it and a lot of close contacts. One person was bedridden for a day, but that's it. The vulnerable are protected to a massive degree by the jabs. We will probably have to have an annual vaccination programme, but nothing different to the flu. Hopefully treatments continue to improve too.

 

[Bender]

How long do you think you'll have your latest restrictions? Our only ones right now are masks in shops/public transport and a covid passport to get into sports stadia/music venues.
146390 cases today - a drop of 16k on last week and finally government are not locking down further.
I think it's a different scenario to a year ago, pre vaccines. We have to accept it will be here now, and vaccines will massively cut down on the worst scenario.
More than half of our workforce have had it and a lot of close contacts. One person was bedridden for a day, but that's it. The vulnerable are protected to a massive degree by the jabs. We will probably have to have an annual vaccination programme, but nothing different to the flu. Hopefully treatments continue to improve too.

Probably once hospital projections aren't so dire. The issue isn't just covid hospitalizations, it's the postponement of surgeries due to the influx of covid patients.

Pretty much agree on yearly or semi-annual boosters. The issue right now is we don't know where covid will mutate and current vaccines weren't designed to handle variants that have drifted far off from the original and earlier strains.

I'm hoping there's a broad vaccine and better treatments on the horizon so we can hopefully put the majority of this behind us.

 

[Highlander]

How long do you think you'll have your latest restrictions? Our only ones right now are masks in shops/public transport and a covid passport to get into sports stadia/music venues.
146390 cases today - a drop of 16k on last week and finally government are not locking down further.
I think it's a different scenario to a year ago, pre vaccines. We have to accept it will be here now, and vaccines will massively cut down on the worst scenario.
More than half of our workforce have had it and a lot of close contacts. One person was bedridden for a day, but that's it. The vulnerable are protected to a massive degree by the jabs. We will probably have to have an annual vaccination programme, but nothing different to the flu. Hopefully treatments continue to improve too.

Where do you live?

 

[madkenstalin]

How long do you think you'll have your latest restrictions? Our only ones right now are masks in shops/public transport and a covid passport to get into sports stadia/music venues.
146390 cases today - a drop of 16k on last week and finally government are not locking down further.
I think it's a different scenario to a year ago, pre vaccines. We have to accept it will be here now, and vaccines will massively cut down on the worst scenario.
More than half of our workforce have had it and a lot of close contacts. One person was bedridden for a day, but that's it. The vulnerable are protected to a massive degree by the jabs. We will probably have to have an annual vaccination programme, but nothing different to the flu. Hopefully treatments continue to improve too.

Where do you live?

Nottingham , England.
We made a horrific start to the pandemic. Delay in closing international travel. letting people into care homes to spread it and die etc. As a result we have 150k dead now, including some people I know.
However, i think our approach the last 8 months or so has been good. Rolling out the vaccines and boosters while trying to keep things open. We have high cases still (but we are testing massively more than most of europe),  week on week they seem to be dropping by 20k so hopefully this latest wave will be over fairly quickly. People on ICU seem to be low.
I think our biggest threat now is being short staffed while we have a 7 day isolation, though this has been reduced from 10 recently.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/1480966031409823744

What a strange, strange world we live in.