Franson, Kadri, Gardiner, Reimer ... still Leafs at the deadline?

[Jalili]

Not that I think the Leafs should trade Gardiner, but I do think that a few fans have a weak grasp of his overall upside and overrate the hell out of him.

With Rielly one can plainly see the star potential and the ability to reach it; with Gardiner, I see solid 2nd pairing D-man as his future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[bustaheims]

Not that I think the Leafs should trade Gardiner, but I do think that a few fans have a weak grasp of his overall upside and overrate the hell out of him.

With Rielly one can plainly see the star potential and the ability to reach it; with Gardiner, I see solid 2nd pairing D-man as his future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think his upside is a little better than that. I don't think he'll be an elite 1st pairing guy or anything, but, I think he'll end up as a Brian Rafalski type - a guy who can certainly hold down a 1st pairing spot and do well there, but excels as a 2nd pairing guy.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

we could get some scrap copper wire and oh yes some Ore.

You really should break that joke out some more...It goes over well

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Not that I think the Leafs should trade Gardiner, but I do think that a few fans have a weak grasp of his overall upside and overrate the hell out of him.

With Rielly one can plainly see the star potential and the ability to reach it; with Gardiner, I see solid 2nd pairing D-man as his future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think his upside is a little better than that. I don't think he'll be an elite 1st pairing guy or anything, but, I think he'll end up as a Brian Rafalski type - a guy who can certainly hold down a 1st pairing spot and do well there, but excels as a 2nd pairing guy.

The biggest thing I question with Gardiner is his hockey sense. His head doesn't appear to always be in the play. I hope it's youth.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Not that I think the Leafs should trade Gardiner, but I do think that a few fans have a weak grasp of his overall upside and overrate the hell out of him.

With Rielly one can plainly see the star potential and the ability to reach it; with Gardiner, I see solid 2nd pairing D-man as his future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think his upside is a little better than that. I don't think he'll be an elite 1st pairing guy or anything, but, I think he'll end up as a Brian Rafalski type - a guy who can certainly hold down a 1st pairing spot and do well there, but excels as a 2nd pairing guy.

The biggest thing I question with Gardiner is his hockey sense. His head doesn't appear to always be in the play. I hope it's youth.

See I'd argue the opposite, that his hockey sense is quite good.  He'll often make breakout passes or settle the breakout down to find someone in situations that other players on the team can't.  His offensive hockey sense is pretty great, he always seems to be finding someone in the offensive zone to distribute the puck to.

Maybe he's inconsistent in all of the details of his game, but I don't think it's an issue of hockey sense.

 

[AvroArrow]

Isn't it time we found this guy a seat at the table  http://theleafsnation.com/2014/2/11/brennan-represents-marlies-in-ahl-skills-competition

I wouldn't mind him getting a shot, maybe used as a #7 dman (since we seem to be dressing 7 dman anyway), ease him in and give him PP time.

 

[Highlander]

I guess he is ready if anyone goes down and someone will go down at some point, it is inevitable

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Not that I think the Leafs should trade Gardiner, but I do think that a few fans have a weak grasp of his overall upside and overrate the hell out of him.

With Rielly one can plainly see the star potential and the ability to reach it; with Gardiner, I see solid 2nd pairing D-man as his future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think his upside is a little better than that. I don't think he'll be an elite 1st pairing guy or anything, but, I think he'll end up as a Brian Rafalski type - a guy who can certainly hold down a 1st pairing spot and do well there, but excels as a 2nd pairing guy.

The biggest thing I question with Gardiner is his hockey sense. His head doesn't appear to always be in the play. I hope it's youth.

See I'd argue the opposite, that his hockey sense is quite good.  He'll often make breakout passes or settle the breakout down to find someone in situations that other players on the team can't.  His offensive hockey sense is pretty great, he always seems to be finding someone in the offensive zone to distribute the puck to.

Maybe he's inconsistent in all of the details of his game, but I don't think it's an issue of hockey sense.

See, I'd chalk that up to hockey skill. I'm in no way taking away from the kids skill and ability to make that pass. My questions towards his hockey sense is when he doesn't have the puck. He seems to get lost on the ice. You'll find him out by the blue line chasing the puck in his own zone as an example.

Like I said, I hope it's youth.

 

[ZBBM]

I have a sense that Kadri will get dealt at or before the deadline.  The Leafs have got to get a lot better on defense if they are going to contend, and the UFA defense crop isn't looking very promising.  They're going to have to give up a good asset to get what they need, and Kadri seems to me the most likely of the 4 named in the thread title to go.  Gardiner would be second most.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I have a sense that Kadri will get dealt at or before the deadline.  The Leafs have got to get a lot better on defense if they are going to contend, and the UFA defense crop isn't looking very promising.  They're going to have to give up a good asset to get what they need, and Kadri seems to me the most likely of the 4 named in the thread title to go.  Gardiner would be second most.

Not a chance kadri gets dealt.  He a young player with high upside.  They are thin at centre and he has a good contract because of the bridge deal.  Anyone that thinks he will be traded this deadline or during the summer is sorely mistaken.

 

[Peter D.]

I wonder if Winnipeg's surge might give them more incentive to go out and grab a goalie such as Reimer to solidify things.

 

[dappleganger]

I have a sense that Kadri will get dealt at or before the deadline.  The Leafs have got to get a lot better on defense if they are going to contend, and the UFA defense crop isn't looking very promising.  They're going to have to give up a good asset to get what they need, and Kadri seems to me the most likely of the 4 named in the thread title to go.  Gardiner would be second most.

Not a chance kadri gets dealt.  He a young player with high upside.  They are thin at centre and he has a good contract because of the bridge deal.  Anyone that thinks he will be traded this deadline or during the summer is sorely mistaken.

What about for that Kesler fella?

 

[Redleaf]

I wonder if Winnipeg's surge might give them more incentive to go out and grab a goalie such as Reimer to solidify things.

I'd love to see Reimer land in Winnipeg. I think it would be a great fit, and he'd be close to home as well.

 

[bustaheims]

I have a sense that Kadri will get dealt at or before the deadline.  The Leafs have got to get a lot better on defense if they are going to contend, and the UFA defense crop isn't looking very promising.  They're going to have to give up a good asset to get what they need, and Kadri seems to me the most likely of the 4 named in the thread title to go.  Gardiner would be second most.

Kadri and Gardiner aren't the type of assets that generally get moved in deadline deals from teams that aren't on the cusp of Cup contention. If they get moved, it will be at the draft/in the summer. The type of player the Leafs would want in return for moving either of them won't be available at the deadline.

 

[bustaheims]

What about for that Kesler fella?

Nonis has said multiple times that he'll only trade young players for guys of similar age and upside. Considering his history here and with the Canucks, that's something I tend to believe him on.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Kadri better not be dealt unless it's a sweet deal.  Homegrown draft that's putting up ~60 points in a 2nd line C role is a great asset, and he's only 23.

 

[ZBBM]

Kadri better not be dealt unless it's a sweet deal.  Homegrown draft that's putting up ~60 points in a 2nd line C role is a great asset, and he's only 23.

That's what I mean, they'd essentially be swapping him for his equivalent on D.  (like you said, busta)

And busta I don't see any reason why a deal like this is any less likely at the deadline than in the summer.  Either the deal's there or it isn't.

And, while Holland in no way has made Kadri expendable, they at least have a plausible guy to plug into his spot.

BTW I'm not saying I'd like to see Kadri dealt.  I don't.  But the Leafs have a glaring need to shore up the defense and some player that I don't want to see get dealt is likely going to have to be in order to fill that need.

 

[bustaheims]

And busta I don't see any reason why a deal like this is any less likely at the deadline than in the summer.  Either the deal's there or it isn't.

Well, it's simple, really. At the draft or in the summer, there are more teams willing to move pieces like those the Leafs are looking for. At the deadline, teams in the playoff hunt or that believe they're Cup contenders tend to not want to move  quality players that are regulars in their lineup. The teams that are willing to move players are those that tend to be looking towards the future, so, they also tend not to want to move younger, higher quality players at the deadline either. GMs often seem to be more willing to talk about bigger pieces of their roster when there aren't games to be played in the immediate future. I'm not saying it's impossible, but, it's just not the time of the year when that type of deal tends to go down.

 

[ZBBM]

And busta I don't see any reason why a deal like this is any less likely at the deadline than in the summer.  Either the deal's there or it isn't.

Well, it's simple, really. At the draft or in the summer, there are more teams willing to move pieces like those the Leafs are looking for. At the deadline, teams in the playoff hunt or that believe they're Cup contenders tend to not want to move  quality players that are regulars in their lineup. The teams that are willing to move players are those that tend to be looking towards the future, so, they also tend not to want to move younger, higher quality players at the deadline either. GMs often seem to be more willing to talk about bigger pieces of their roster when there aren't games to be played in the immediate future. I'm not saying it's impossible, but, it's just not the time of the year when that type of deal tends to go down.

Always with the evidence-based arguments. I think with my gut, not the other way around.

 

[bustaheims]

Always with the evidence-based arguments. I think with my gut, not the other way around.

I just have a hard time ignoring years of history in regard to trade deadlines. While, yes, sometimes deals with Kadri type players do happen, they are rare.