Leafs @ Sharks - Jan. 15th, 10:30pm - TSN, Fan 590

[freer]

Can't make the right call on Sharks' 2nd goal, but give Polak delay of game there.

I thought McKenzie made a good case that Sharks goal was fine. Whoever it was didn't really push Reimer into the net, it was nothing like that Malkin goal awhile back at least. And he was also able to attempt to whack at the puck as long as it was loose, which it definitely was.

Well I mean how wasn't it exactly this?

Rule 69.3 If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

The Sharks player initiated contact with Reimer by pushing his stick into Reimer's pads.

That what I thought

 

[ZBBM]

I say we tie it here.

 

[Deebo]

Not even an A on Thornton's sweater.

 

[bustaheims]

This period has been a little Carlyle-esque. I suppose, 3rd game in 4 on a West Coast swing, that shouldn't be surprising. Hopefully, just a bump in the road more than anything else.

 

[L K]

Clarkson out on the powerplay.  Sigh.

 

[ZBBM]

Or not.

 

[freer]

Why dont they just shot.... Reilly shot the damn puck

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Clarkson out on the powerplay.  Sigh.

Just silly.

 

[freer]

Clarkson out on the powerplay.  Sigh.

Just silly.

So is Reilly and Gardiner

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well I mean how wasn't it exactly this?

Rule 69.3 If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

The Sharks player initiated contact with Reimer by pushing his stick into Reimer's pads.

Because it was actually this:

69.6 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed. If, however, in the opinion of the Referee, the attacking player was pushed or otherwise fouled by a defending player causing the goalkeeper to be pushed into the net together with the puck, the goal can be permitted.

Loose puck inside the crease, Sharks players went for it, made incidental contact with Reimer and then because of that contact Reimer knocked the puck in. But the puck wasn't necessarily pushed into the net along with Reimer.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Loose puck inside the crease, Sharks players went for it, made incidental contact with Reimer and then because of that contact Reimer knocked the puck in. But the puck wasn't necessarily pushed into the net along with Reimer.

But if he wasn't pushed into the net how would that rule apply then?  He didn't push him into the net so why would that rule be brought up?  In my mind, he made contact with Reimer and that caused the puck to go in.  Incidental or not.  I don't think you would call that a rebound situation, it was more akin to the puck being covered up.

 

[L K]

Reimer has been fantastic this period.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Reimer has been fantastic this period.

Leafs do look tired/like half their forwards are AHL.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But if he wasn't pushed into the net how would that rule apply then?  He didn't push him into the net so why would that rule be brought up?  In my mind, he made contact with Reimer and that caused the puck to go in.  Incidental or not.  I don't think you would call that a rebound situation, it was more akin to the puck being covered up.

That pushed in part is to cover plays where a player literally pushes a goalie beyond the goal line and the puck along with it. Like I said, similar to that Malkin goal.

I would imagine "a rebound situation" has a pretty wide definition for the rulebook. It would basically cover everything, including loose pucks after a shot on net. That rule is literally exactly what happened on the play, don't see the issue. You say that he made contact with Reimer and that cause the puck to go in, but the rulebook specifically says in that situation that's allowed to happen.

 

[ZBBM]

Passengers.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

But if he wasn't pushed into the net how would that rule apply then?  He didn't push him into the net so why would that rule be brought up?  In my mind, he made contact with Reimer and that caused the puck to go in.  Incidental or not.  I don't think you would call that a rebound situation, it was more akin to the puck being covered up.

That pushed in part is to cover plays where a player literally pushes a goalie beyond the goal line and the puck along with it. Like I said, similar to that Malkin goal.

I would imagine "a rebound situation" has a pretty wide definition for the rulebook. It would basically cover everything, including loose pucks after a shot on net. That rule is literally exactly what happened on the play, don't see the issue. You say that he made contact with Reimer and that cause the puck to go in, but the rulebook specifically says in that situation that's allowed to happen.

The rule says if the player makes incidental contact while attempting to play a loose puck.  I don't see how pushing/hitting Reimer's pad causing the puck to go in is 'incidental' contact - he couldn't get the goal without doing that.

I interpret that aspect of the rule to be situations where the puck is loose, where the player can play the puck and in the process of shooting/hitting the puck into the net the player also contacts the goalie.  I didn't see the player touch the puck here, only push/hit/bump Reimer causing it to go in.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I interpret that aspect of the rule to be situations where the puck is loose, where the player can play the puck and in the process of shooting/hitting the puck into the net the player also contacts the goalie.  I didn't see the player touch the puck here, only push/hit/bump Reimer causing it to go in.

The rule doesn't state anything about the player having to touch the puck. If that was critical then it'd have been in there. It specifically says that any goal scored as a result would be good.

 

[ZBBM]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think Reimer's earned himself another start. Problem is St. Louis is next up.