Liles Contract Extension (4 years, 3.875 AAV)

[bustaheims]

McKenzie says 3.875 AAV.

Man, when it comes to re-signing players, Burke is like a ninja. When it comes to UFAs, I don't know what happens.

 

[Edeagle]

we need him.. the PP hasn't been scoring at all since he got hurt. I may buy a Liles jersey, at least I know it will be wearable for a while. 

 

[Peter D.]

That's an extremely reasonable cap hit.  Surprised it wasn't at least $4M.  A year too long?  Maybe.  But at that hit, it's easy to swallow.

 

[Zee]

Awesome Burke took the cap hit down. I'm impressed.

 

[Kin]

It strikes me as being ok. On the one hand I've liked what Liles has brought to the team. On the other I think players with his skill-set tend to be available.

There's a part of me that's always going to be wary about signing a concussed player long term but, well, I'm not sure it matters much these days.

 

[L K]

McKenzie says 3.875 AAV.

Man, when it comes to re-signing players, Burke is like a ninja. When it comes to UFAs, I don't know what happens.

The flow of the team offense is very different when he is back there...he also makes the PP very dangerous.  On the flip side, he's not all that great in the defensive zone and that makes for some harrowing experiences at times but I can live with a sub-4M contract.  He's certainly still movable if Gardiner establishes himself as a go-to guy offensively down the road.  I honestly think he would have gone for 4.5-5M as a free agent, so to sign him at 3.85 is more than a little reasonable (maybe a concession for the 4th year?)

It certainly does look like someone is going to be gone soon on the blueline though.  Between Holzer in the AHL, Aulie as the 7th D-man and the glut of Schenn/Komisarek/Franson/Gunnarsson, something is going to have to happen soon and if they find a way to add an impact player, or even find a way to turf Komisarek's contract so that they can add a forward in the offseason, that would be huge.

 

[Deebo]

It strikes me as being ok. On the one hand I've liked what Liles has brought to the team. On the other I think players with his skill-set tend to be available.

When they are available in unrestricted free agency, I think that would take more term and a higher cap hit to sign them.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

If it's true, I like it.  At least Liles shoots the puck.  Kabs no.  This could be the end for Komi with the Leafs.

Is it really necessary to drag this tired (and wholly false) platitude back from the dead?

Yes it is. Ol' Quickdraw Liles shot the puck an astonishing 163 times in his highest shooting season. Whereas ol' Gunshy Kabs only shot the puck a pitiful 163 times in his highest shooting season.

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Great contract. I had a feeling that it would be a lower cap-hit then his current one. If it wasn't Burke would have probably waited a little longer.

Assuming the cap stays the same (who knows), we now have about $11.375mil left in cap space. Grabs and Gus are both UFAs and Kulemin, Franson and Aulie are all RFAs. Definitely cutting it pretty close. 

 

[Kin]

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

So what you meant was that Liles shoots the puck, but Kaberle didn't as much 13 years ago?

 

[Tigger]

If it's true, I like it.  At least Liles shoots the puck.  Kabs no.  This could be the end for Komi with the Leafs.

Is it really necessary to drag this tired (and wholly false) platitude back from the dead?

Yes it is. Ol' Quickdraw Liles shot the puck an astonishing 163 times in his highest shooting season. Whereas ol' Gunshy Kabs only shot the puck a pitiful 163 times in his highest shooting season.

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

Not sure what you're trying to say there as the per game numbers give Kaberle the advantage.

Edit, sorry that's backwards but Busta's point seems pretty bang on.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If it's true, I like it.  At least Liles shoots the puck.  Kabs no.  This could be the end for Komi with the Leafs.

Is it really necessary to drag this tired (and wholly false) platitude back from the dead?

Yes it is. Ol' Quickdraw Liles shot the puck an astonishing 163 times in his highest shooting season. Whereas ol' Gunshy Kabs only shot the puck a pitiful 163 times in his highest shooting season.

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

What about shooting % over that time for both players?  Just for the sake of curiosity.

 

[Tigger]

If the numbers are true I'm pretty ok with that signing, dropping the cap hit is impressive.

I still somewhat suspect that if Liles wasn't injured he might have been traded but it doesn't look like that's happening now.

 

[Kin]

What about shooting % over that time for both players?  Just for the sake of curiosity.

More importantly, what about scoring percentage?

 

[Bender]

It strikes me as being ok. On the one hand I've liked what Liles has brought to the team. On the other I think players with his skill-set tend to be available.

There's a part of me that's always going to be wary about signing a concussed player long term but, well, I'm not sure it matters much these days.

I felt maybe it was a bit premature for an extension... I'm also in your boat with being half and half about being concussed and given an extension...

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Good deal, I'm happy with this, he's a good guy and a good player.I also agree that this spells the end of another Dman very soon. I would also think it's going to be a guy with a higher cap hit, like say Komisarek. I don't know how he's going to pull it off, but I bet it's Komi that goes.

 

[Tigger]

What about shooting % over that time for both players?  Just for the sake of curiosity.

More importantly, what about scoring percentage?

Hands down Kabs is the most confused by that stat, Liles is close and yes both seem really confused but Kabs is just worse.

 

[Corn Flake]

Why are we so preoccupied with comparing Liles & Kabs shot totals again? 

I'd say it goes juuuuuuust a bit deeper than that.  /sarcasm.

 

[bustaheims]

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

Post lockout

Kaberle - 893 shots in 507 games (1.76 shots/game)
Liles - 918 shots in 478 games (1.92 shots/game)

Not exactly a huge difference there, now is there? About 13 shots a season. Now, can we please let the whole "Kaberle doesn't shoot" thing die? It was only true of him early in his career.

 

[MetalRaven]

Kabs has 1434 shots in 13 seasons, and less than 100 in his first 4 seasons. 
Liles has 1033 shots in 8 seasons.  Every season Liles was healthy he had over 100 SOG.

So what you meant was that Liles shoots the puck, but Kaberle didn't as much 13 years ago?

First impressions i guess? For me it wasnt that he didnt shoot...I never got that either...I just felt he didnt shoot when I felt he should...he would take the shot like 2 seconds later when the goaltender was in great position...I felt like he took too long to line the shot up when a one timer or quick shot would have been better...but I guess thats more opinion

now to make this on topic...yea Liles and yea contract...I really like Burkes moves honestly...this seems like low risk...even if his play falls off a bit hes still reasonably priced and not a long time either assuming he doesnt hit the mud right out of the gate...and honestly you cant build a winner assuming that