Mitch Marner: what now?

[princedpw]

I see all these posts in this thread and think something?s up with MM ...

but aside from being a winger, Skinner seems like a terrible  comparable for Marner (age, goals vs assists, etc) ...

I?m curious about Rantanen ...

 

[Guilt Trip]

Skinner isnt comparable to Marner. Goal scorer vs set up man. Also Skinner is a UFA and had Buff over a barrel. They have no one to take his place on Eichel's line so GM Jack told them to get it done. Skinner would not have gotten that deal anywhere else. 7.5-8 max would be the ballpark. Good on him tho but but don't see this effecting Marner at all.

 

[Frank E]

And for what it's worth Evolving Wild's contract projections had him at $8.5mil for 8 years.

And I think that Buffalo was up against it...they need a Skinner.

They paid UFA market money, and I hope it goes very badly for them. 

 

[Nik]

I see all these posts in this thread and think something?s up with MM ...

but aside from being a winger, Skinner seems like a terrible  comparable for Marner (age, goals vs assists, etc) ...

Over and above any specific comparisons between two players, the general hierarchy of a given player's desirability is still probably far more important than anything else when determining value.

None of the things you're talking about that make Marner and Skinner different players make Marner less valuable than Skinner. Goals are generally more highly valued, sure, but not to the extent that the point difference between the two would be eclipsed.

Skinner's contract won't directly affect Marner's deal because the biggest issue with Marner is still going to be whether or not a team is willing to try and get him via offer sheet but Skinner's deal is a perfect illustration of how the UFA market can inflate a player's value and why Marner, like Matthews before him, would be right to value his UFA years by significantly more than the people proposing the 7 and 8 year deals for him would like.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7EIXk98uMk

I watched this video off all the leaf goals from the season on the treadmill the other night, and there's definitely a big difference between Marner's assists, and your generic 2nd assist off an ankle. In so many of these goals, he completely engineers the play. This level of skill doesn't come around very often.

 

[Zee]

He's really going to be entertaining offers next week isn't he?

 

[Fanatic]

He's really going to be entertaining offers next week isn't he?

I believe that he can do so starting this Sunday.

 

[Zee]

He's really going to be entertaining offers next week isn't he?

I believe that he can do so starting this Sunday.

I know, which is next week.  I had really hoped this would all be put to bed before the draft but here we are 4 days from the draft and not a sniff of anything

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He's really going to be entertaining offers next week isn't he?

I believe that he can do so starting this Sunday.

That's when the UFA interview period begins. For RFAs it isn't until the 26th.

 

[Nik]

The stark reality of the RFA "market" may be the best thing to move the talks along.

 

[Zee]

He's really going to be entertaining offers next week isn't he?

I believe that he can do so starting this Sunday.

That's when the UFA interview period begins. For RFAs it isn't until the 26th.

So you're saying I got to wait even longer...

I thought it was Monday, maybe cause Dreger might have intimated that Marner would hop a plane come Monday and start to fly around looking at offers, but of course I could have mis-heard him and he might have said June 26th.  Gonna be a long week.

 

[Bates]

Mitch should watch this last month's festivities and today's parade. Give up a little cash and try to get yourself one of those.

 

[Zee]

Mitch should watch this last month's festivities and today's parade. Give up a little cash and try to get yourself one of those.

I'd be a mess if this day was about the Leafs

 

[Nik]

Maybe the Owners should get rid of the cap and put trying to win championships over money too.

 

[Bates]

Maybe the Owners should get rid of the cap and put trying to win championships over money too.

I'm sure the one we watch would not really object but they are but one vote and considering half the League loses money I don't think that Cap is going anywhere. Doesn't today's team also have a Cap??

 

[Nik]

I'm sure the one we watch would not really object but they are but one vote and considering half the League loses money I don't think that Cap is going anywhere.

Really a shame to structure a league where money is more important than winning. Shouldn't be a mindset to impart to players.

 

[Bates]

I'm sure the one we watch would not really object but they are but one vote and considering half the League loses money I don't think that Cap is going anywhere.

Really a shame to structure a league where money is more important than winning. Shouldn't be a mindset to impart to players.

Survival and more player jobs might be a better way to frame it.

 

[Nik]

Survival and more player jobs might be a better way to frame it.

Yup. Remember in the uncapped 90's when all of those franchises folded and the league shrunk, really having trouble adding expansion teams?

 

[Bates]

Survival and more player jobs might be a better way to frame it.

Yup. Remember in the uncapped 90's when all of those franchises folded and the league shrunk, really having trouble adding expansion teams?

It's that wage growth that lead to the Cap. It probably would not have been able to go on forever. But hey you be you.

 

[Nik]

It's that wage growth that lead to the Cap. It probably would not have been able to go on forever. But hey you be you.

Other sports managed to deal with it and not implement a hard cap. The only thing that lead to the cap was decisions owners made in the service of their own financial interests.

Now players make those same decisions.