LittleHockeyFan
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bustaheims said:
perfect! My two first choices after/along with Kennedy. Imagine that, the MLSE did something right!
Players for Monument outside ACC...
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perfect! My two first choices after/along with Kennedy. Imagine that, the MLSE did something right!
hockeyfan1
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AvroArrow said:
Why? In fact, this is long overdue.
My idea would have been to re-create action 'scenes'/'highlights' of specific events in Leaf history (such as that photo of a 'flying' Barilko scoring the '51 Cup-winning goal or Bower in action stopping a shot in a Cup playoff game, etcetera). Perhaps with some holographic effects or whatever, all these 'scenes' scattered throughout various places in the ACC, or, housed in a "Legends Moments" section. All of this would most surely have cost a lot more money.
I think the monuments thing is an excellent way to finally acknowledge the past and to have it housed in it's appropriate place. No need for too many ceremonies nor banners hanging everywhere. Also a great way to remind present Leaf players of the importance and meaning of the blue & white jersey they wear.
Bullfrog
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That's fair. But using the same argument, I'm sure you can understand that it does a lot for a lot of people. It's a tribute to their past heroes. It reminds people that, despite the lack of recent success, there were glory days in the past and there may be in the future.
Aside from that, it'll probably be a wonderful piece of public art.
Aside from that, it'll probably be a wonderful piece of public art.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
Also, it will add some character to what is a fairly mundane area outside the arena.
Highlander
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Long overdue, if only for Johnny Bower to see this in his lifetime. He is truly one of the greats of all time and a very classy man. A true Leaf thru and thru!
Kin
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AvroArrow said:
How much money do you think these are going to cost? They'll probably run the equivalent of the salary of one low-level scout or lowering the ticket cost to one game by two dollars.
Even if they spent a million dollars on them, which seems crazy, that would only lower the cost of an individual ticket by 1.25.
Bullfrog
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AvroArrow said:So, because it might not amount to a whole lot, we should just go waste the money on something stupid? :
You shouldn't if you figure it's a waste and something stupid; which I'm guessing most do not.
In the overall scheme of MLSE's budget, I doubt it's a tremendous amount of money and I doubt there would be any correlation with ticket prices.
I suspect something like this costs in the neighborhood of $250K - 300k when you factor in design, permits, and fabrication + marketing, design procurement, etc.
BlueWhiteBlood
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I think it's a good idea, besides, MLSE can spend their money on the Leafs any way they want, it's great for the fans and even young, future fans.
It'll light Bower's face up and immortalize him at the ACC. Kennedy and Sittler are great choices also.
Did they say anything about coaches? Anyway, it will be awesome for me to see Mats Sundin out front of the complex. I'm a pretty big Clark fan, but he's not as much of a shoe-in as some think, Gilmour even less so IMO.
I think CTB's list is pretty right on as well.
It'll light Bower's face up and immortalize him at the ACC. Kennedy and Sittler are great choices also.
Did they say anything about coaches? Anyway, it will be awesome for me to see Mats Sundin out front of the complex. I'm a pretty big Clark fan, but he's not as much of a shoe-in as some think, Gilmour even less so IMO.
I think CTB's list is pretty right on as well.
Training camp really can't start soon enough.
bustaheims
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AvroArrow said:So, because it might not amount to a whole lot, we should just go waste the money on something stupid? :
I imagine you're part of a very small minority that sees this monument as a waste of money or as something stupid. Also, in terms of wasting money on something stupid, this monument is roughly the equivalent of you or I buying a chocolate bar. It's such an insignificant amount relative to MLSE's finances that it's not worth the handwringing. The money being spent on this has absolutely no real impact on anything related to the team on the ice or the cost of tickets to see them. If this was part of a string of similarly non-impactful spending decisions, that would be one thing, but, as an individual thing, it's really not worth getting upset about.
Kin
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AvroArrow said:So, because it might not amount to a whole lot, we should just go waste the money on something stupid? :
Well, first of all, "we" aren't doing anything. It's not your or my money being spent. Regardless, my point was that it's not a significant enough amount of money for the likes of MLSE that it would preclude them from doing anything else. Presenting it as a choice they're making at the expense of anything else to improve the on-ice product or fan experience doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
With that said, I'm not naive about why this is happening. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts or because the guy who hangs Bon Jovi banners in the rafters suddenly started caring about the team's history. They're doing this, at least in part, because they would prefer fans debate Sittler vs. Sundin than sit around thinking about how much the team sucks. MLSE has an interest here and it's not about history or downtown revitalization.
So, yeah, if you're the kind of person who refers to ownership in the nominative plural then I can see why you'd be surprised when it seems like fans' interests and ownership's interest diverge but it's kind of old hat for me.
BlueWhiteBlood
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AvroArrow said:
Well, obviously not you, but young fans that are interested in the history of the Leafs. Not all people are the same, young or old...
Either way, I get it, you don't like this idea. I do.
Heroic Shrimp
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Pretty much equal parts horrific and horrifically hilarious:
Corey Ferguson @coreyleafs 9h
@mirtle My sister lined up for 4 hours only to get Colton Orr's signature. You line up not knowing who is going to be signing by the end.
Corey Ferguson @coreyleafs 9h
@mirtle My sister lined up for 4 hours only to get Colton Orr's signature. You line up not knowing who is going to be signing by the end.
GhostofPotvin29
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Heroic Shrimp said:
Almost as much ice time as Orr got all of last season.
Just to confirm something Nik said earlier, the Leafs will be leaving a spot open on the monument for a future Leafs great, so they'll only be naming 9 players for now.