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I'd still be looking to get Demers from Florida. It doesn't appear as though the new/old regime values him as highly as the group that signed him did. They've got 4 defenceman they seem to like more so he'd be overpaid to play on their 3rd pairing. And after dumping another contract the new/old regime didn't seem to like in Reilly Smith I wouldn't be surprised if Demers went fairly cheaply.
 
mr grieves said:
But they took 14 (!) and have some appealing ones too, no?
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Yeah, there's a handful of decent ones but those are mostly the guys that seem to be getting flipped as well.

The other interesting thing about their defence is that they picked 8 lefties and just 3 righties. And 2 of those 3 righties (TVR and Colin Miller) are apparently basically sure things to be traded.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'd still be looking to get Demers from Florida. It doesn't appear as though the new/old regime values him as highly as the group that signed him did. They've got 4 defenceman they seem to like more so he'd be overpaid to play on their 3rd pairing. And after dumping another contract the new/old regime didn't seem to like in Reilly Smith I wouldn't be surprised if Demers went fairly cheaply.
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Florida is so weird right now. Friedman even joked that they'd trade back for Gudbranson.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I dunno, he's 23 years old and couldn't crack the OILERS' defence the past 2 seasons. Even his post-draft junior numbers are pretty disappointing. Think it's definitely time to bring out the bust stamp.
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I get that, and I don't think he'll ever be the top pairing guy he was once touted as. I just think that the right coaching and development groups could still turn him into a solid NHL defenceman. I mean, yes, he couldn't crack the Oilers blueline, but, at the same time, he's been through two organizations that don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to developing defencemen to their full potential.
 
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Miller to TOR may make all kinds of sense, and who knows, maybe it happens, but my understanding is it's not been on their radar recently.
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@TSNBobMcKenzie

As for all these Colin Miller to TOR rumors, driven in part by Dubas/Keefe connection, I'd never say never, BUT it may be more media driven.
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McKenzie throwing water on this Miller to Leafs rumor. 
 
herman said:
Andy said:
I realize I'm late to the party here but was there any particular reason the Leafs left Leipsic unprotected? It seems odd to me that they would let a pretty decent prospect leave for nothing, especially when they simply could have left Martin off their list. And quite frankly, I couldn't see Vegas having picked Martin anyway. Is there something I'm missing here?
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Leaving Martin exposed would have only protected one more of Rychel, Leipsic, or Marincin; one of those guys was always slated to go. The Marlies, at the end of their season, seemed a bit down on Leipsic's growth, so I'm not even sure they would've used that protection slot on Leipsic.

Leipsic is better than Rychel (production wise) as he produced without Rychel's cushy linemates and zone starts. At the NHL level, Rychel was probably the more flexible player in our system given the players we already have.
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I still don't get it. Leipsic is by far the better prospect and, even if, weirdly, the team is down on his growth he still has superior value. Marincin is essentially contending for the 6th spot along with a host of young new signings. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Andy said:
I realize I'm late to the party here but was there any particular reason the Leafs left Leipsic unprotected? It seems odd to me that they would let a pretty decent prospect leave for nothing, especially when they simply could have left Martin off their list. And quite frankly, I couldn't see Vegas having picked Martin anyway. Is there something I'm missing here?
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No, you're on the money.  This is another in the long line of pretty questionable calls by the LL headed front office that is getting defended primarily with "Well, it's not the dumbest thing in the world so partial credit" like we're grading remedial English.

But, like I said elsewhere, it was never particularly realistic to pretend like they didn't value Martin highly after the contract they gave him and the way they played him.
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Yes, sadly, this seems to make the most sense. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around this. You know, as a human with functioning eyes and a fairly reasonable understanding of hockey.
 
Zee said:
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Miller to TOR may make all kinds of sense, and who knows, maybe it happens, but my understanding is it's not been on their radar recently.
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@TSNBobMcKenzie

As for all these Colin Miller to TOR rumors, driven in part by Dubas/Keefe connection, I'd never say never, BUT it may be more media driven.
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McKenzie throwing water on this Miller to Leafs rumor. 
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Yeah, I'm not that surprised by that. It started with some media guys basically spit-balling that a Miller trade would make sense, and then everybody started saying that the Leafs were in on him.

And I wouldn't be too disappointed if that didn't happen. Miller's underlying numbers are good but he's played in very, very sheltered minutes so while he would almost certainly be a really good 3rd pairing guy, we already have that in Carrick. Although, come to think of it, given McPhee drafted Carrick I wonder if a simple Carrick for Miller swap would be of any interest to either teams.
 
Andy said:
I still don't get it. Leipsic is by far the better prospect and, even if, weirdly, the team is down on his growth he still has superior value. Marincin is essentially contending for the 6th spot along with a host of young new signings. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.
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How would you have laid out the protection scheme to force them to take Marincin? There was always going to be a lot of exposed defensemen of better caliber than forwards. I am equally disappointed if Vegas took Leipsic or Leivo or Rychel. Stylistically, the one with the highest chance of cracking the Leafs roster is probably Rychel, and even then it'll be a tough bet with Timashov, Johnsson, Grundstrom around the corner.
 
herman said:
Florida is so weird right now. Friedman even joked that they'd trade back for Gudbranson.
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George Richards‏ @GeorgeRichards

Dale Tallon says Florida Panthers will be aggressive on July 1
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The last time Dave Tallon was aggressive on July 1st he signed Dave Bolland, Derek MacKenzie, Shawn Thornton, and Willie Mitchell. I can't wait.

I'm guessing Boyle and Polak are both Panthers.
 
That would be a dream come true. Throw in Martin as well to help clear up their locker room culture.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Florida has also scheduled a conference call for today at 3 pm, they might have something that's about to drop.

EDIT: Probably just the Pronger hire.
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Almost certainly the Pronger hire. Conference calls are almost never scheduled before deals are filed and the media already knows the broad strokes..
 
bustaheims said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Florida has also scheduled a conference call for today at 3 pm, they might have something that's about to drop.

EDIT: Probably just the Pronger hire.
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Almost certainly the Pronger hire. Conference calls are almost never scheduled before deals come out.
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No. They're trading for Eric Fehr.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bobbo dropped a bunch of details on the apparent deals Vegas has in the middle of the night:

-Says that in return for passing on Vatanen and Manson, Vegas will select Clayton Stoner and Anaheim will trade them Shea Theodore

-Vegas selects Trevor van Riemsdyk and gets Marcus Krueger from Chicago

-Columbus' deal involves them trading Vegas the 24th overall pick + a prospect in return for Vegas not selecting Jack Johnson. Vegas might also be taking on David Clarkson's contract

-SOMETHING is happening with Florida and Marchessault/Smith, but that's the tough one to pin down. Vegas might get a pick to not select one, or Florida might actually make a deal where Vegas gets BOTH of them in return for other assets from Vegas

-In Minnesota, it appears as though Brodin/Scandella/Staal are safe. Vegas looks to be getting Eric Haula + a prospect instead

-The Islanders are sending the concussed Mikhail Grabovski and a 1st round draft pick to Vegas. There was also talk that this involved Vegas having to select Nikolai Kulemin instead of the other much better unprotected players the Islanders have. That hasn't been confirmed but it does seem as though New York earned some extra protection slots with the 1st rounder

-Pittsburgh is sending something to Vegas to ensure they select Fleury, likely just a draft pick or two

-Tampa might have a deal to steer Vegas away from their younger unprotected defenceman like Koekkoek and Dotchin and instead having them take Jason Garrison and his $4.6mil cap hit instead

With that said, Mirtle also said this:

James Mirtle‏ @mirtle
Vegas could have side deals with nearly half the other 30 NHL teams I'm told. That's crazy.
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So there's still likely a bunch of other smaller deals around too.
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Hey, this was pretty accurate!
 
Pierre LeBrun‏ @PierreVLeBrun

Vegas has had all the leverage for a long time in this process but now losing some as every day goes by and still have players to move...

From talking to some teams, they know full well that VGK can't bring all those players to camp... pressure is on to flip more guys asap...

whether that's Emelin, Methot, Sbisa, etc... can they get as much as they thought they'd get?
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Vegas still has 10 NHL defencemen (using a loose definition of that term for guys like Griffin Reinhart and a couple others) on their roster. Only one, Shea Theodore, is exempt from waivers. I think they probably thought they'd be able to clean up by trading a handful of those guys. Wonder if maybe it might have been a better idea to make more side deals with the teams they got them from.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Sean Reynolds‏ @snseanreynolds
Dorion said teams were calling interested in trading for Methot but idea of trading him did not sit right. Decided to leave him for Vegas.
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haha wut?
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That seems ridiculous.  "Why should I get an asset back for Methot when I can lose him for free?!"
 
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