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Potential Expansion Draft Rules

CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
L Nate Schmidt RFA

Who Vegas takes from Washington is one of the more interesting choices right now. Schmidt's a young, likely to be very affordable middle pairing defenceman. But they can also pick Philipp Grubauer, a 25-year old goalie who put up a .926 save percentage in 23 games last year with the Caps and has a .922 career save percentage in 66 NHL games. Grubauer would be a pretty good back-up/1B option behind Fleury.

The Washington fans on reddit are a bit panicked by Detroit's shafting of Mrazek's reputation. If Vegas takes a flyer on Mrazek, then Grubauer is not much of a shield in Washington.
 
NYI's deal with Vegas is purported to involve Grabovski and their 1st rder, opening up 5M of cap space to make a play for Duchene.
 
herman said:
NYI's deal with Vegas is purported to involve Grabovski and their 1st rder, opening up 5M of cap space to make a play for Duchene.

This isn't even an "oh I want him to sign with the Leafs" type thing, but Tavares would be an absolute idiot if he re-signed with the Islanders without them doing something big like bringing in Duchene to support him. 8 seasons. 3 playoff appearances. They've made it out of the 1st round once.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
This isn't even an "oh I want him to sign with the Leafs" type thing, but Tavares would be an absolute idiot if he re-signed with the Islanders without them doing something big like bringing in Duchene to support him. 8 seasons. 3 playoff appearances. They've made it out of the 1st round once.

The thing I keep hearing about Tavares is how loyal he is. The Islanders would have to screw up/him something fierce to get him to jump ship. At the same time, he is crazy competitive (as 1st overalls and superstars often are).

I'd love to see him just Lebron or Durant it up while in his prime the way people hoped Stamkos would, but hockey culture is so conservative.
 
I've long been in the "this expansion draft won't give Vegas anything resembling a good team" camp, but there's a few guys that were left unprotected that surprised me. They could potential come away with a line-up looking like this:

Cammalleri-Staal-Marchessault
Neal-Shipachyov-Ryan
Perron-Plekanec-Stempniak

Enstrom-Manson
Schmidt-Miller

Fleury
Mrazek

With lots of options still available to them via free agency and lots of choices in the draft to fill out the bottom part of their line-up. I'm not saying that it'd be the RIGHT thing to do, but if they did want to try to be competitive they can take a stab at it.
 
herman said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Tavares would be an absolute idiot if he re-signed with the Islanders without them doing something big like bringing in Duchene to support him.

The thing I keep hearing about Tavares is how loyal he is.

I liked my choice of words better.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Tavares would be an absolute idiot if he re-signed with the Islanders without them doing something big like bringing in Duchene to support him.

The thing I keep hearing about Tavares is how loyal he is.

I liked my choice of words better.

You're not wrong.

Who is in position to benefit if he comes to his senses? He's looking at 8-9M as a prime 1C from 27-34. San Jose? If they play their cards right, Calgary?!
 
herman said:
Who is in position to benefit if he comes to his senses? He's looking at 8-9M as a prime 1C from 27-34. San Jose? If they play their cards right, Calgary?!

St. Louis is a team that immediately jumped to mind. They've always been missing that big 1C. Statsny's contract expires the same summer so that would immediately clear $7mil in cap space. I think if he wants a Cup that would be the best spot for him to look. Montreal and the Rangers would also take pretty big runs at him I'm sure. Him + Price or Lundqvist would make most teams a contender.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I've long been in the "this expansion draft won't give Vegas anything resembling a good team" camp, but there's a few guys that were left unprotected that surprised me. They could potential come away with a line-up looking like this:

Cammalleri-Staal-Marchessault
Neal-Shipachyov-Ryan
Perron-Plekanec-Stempniak

Enstrom-Manson
Schmidt-Miller

Fleury
Mrazek

With lots of options still available to them via free agency and lots of choices in the draft to fill out the bottom part of their line-up. I'm not saying that it'd be the RIGHT thing to do, but if they did want to try to be competitive they can take a stab at it.

On the surface, it doesn't look awful, but there are some caveats there. Enstrom, for instance, is out indefinitely with a concussion - and has been pretty mediocre for the last 3 seasons.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
St. Louis is a team that immediately jumped to mind. They've always been missing that big 1C. Statsny's contract expires the same summer so that would immediately clear $7mil in cap space. I think if he wants a Cup that would be the best spot for him to look. Montreal and the Rangers would also take pretty big runs at him I'm sure. Him + Price or Lundqvist would make most teams a contender.

Oh man, if he went to the Rangers, the butt hurt would be so fiery.
 
Per CJ the Leafs are still negotiating a potential trade with the GK, Lou wasn't subject to the informal trade freeze declared last night by McPhee because of travel issues he ran into.

#LoopholeLou
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Per CJ the Leafs are still negotiating a potential trade with the GK, Lou wasn't subject to the informal trade freeze declared last night by McPhee because of travel issues he ran into.

#LoopholeLou

Whatever he has on Bettman *has* to be good!  :P
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Per CJ the Leafs are still negotiating a potential trade with the GK, Lou wasn't subject to the informal trade freeze declared last night by McPhee because of travel issues he ran into.

#LoopholeLou

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/877212182043385857
www.twitter.com/reporterchris/status/877212182043385857

So we simply have to outbid ANA/NYI/MIN on their steering deals.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Per CJ the Leafs are still negotiating a potential trade with the GK, Lou wasn't subject to the informal trade freeze declared last night by McPhee because of travel issues he ran into.

#LoopholeLou
;D  Why would Lou get an extension?  So he couldn't travel, did his phone not work as well?
 
@TSNBobMcKenzie

VGK say they have six trades in place. If we're speculating - emphasis on speculating - likely to be with ANA, CBJ, CHI, NYI, PIT, TB.


6 trades, this could be interesting when they announce everything.  Never remember one team involved in so many deals in one day.
 
herman said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Per CJ the Leafs are still negotiating a potential trade with the GK, Lou wasn't subject to the informal trade freeze declared last night by McPhee because of travel issues he ran into.

#LoopholeLou

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/877212182043385857
www.twitter.com/reporterchris/status/877212182043385857

So we simply have to outbid ANA/NYI/MIN on their steering deals.

Surely those steering deals went through beforehand  (over the weekend or Monday) but havent been announced as per league decision and so can't be gazumped?
 
Jolly good show chaps said:
Surely those steering deals went through beforehand  (over the weekend or Monday) but havent been announced as per league decision and so can't be gazumped?

My understanding is that there are no rules or regulations governing the schedule of the steering deals Vegas might make with teams. The only thing is that Vegas needs to submit are their expansion draft picks by 10 am tomorrow.

McPhee said earlier in the week that no such deals are final and that he would give opportunities for every team to negotiate for their hostages rosters before they ink the picks.

I don't think that means McPhee will simply keep all lines open and circumvent those steering deals when the situation presents itself (those deals only get cashed in after the draft, right?), but if a delicious offer does come up for an unprotected player (e.g. Manson) from another team(s), if I were McPhee I'd bring that back to the originating team and ask them to bolster their steering efforts, cut a three-way deal, or simply take a knee on the play.

Edit: apparently, that's exactly what he's done.

https://www.nhl.com/news/column-golden-knights-hold-the-upper-hand-ahead-of-expansion-draft/c-289997332

If teams are bidding on an exposed player, or if he is going to take an exposed player himself, McPhee is being direct with the GM of that player's team. Want to keep him? Here's what it's going to take.

"We're basically saying, 'Do you want to hear what's going on with your team, or are you just content to sit and we're going to do what we're going to do?' " McPhee said. "Most of them want to talk about it, and then we tell them exactly what's going on. 'Is there something you want to do about it or not?' "
 
Jolly good show chaps said:
But (for example) would Anaheim have exposed Manson and Vatanen without a pre-arranged deal with Vegas made before they determined who they would eventually protect?

Yeah, in situations like that where there was a handshake agreement already completed prior to the lists being submitted there's no way Vegas would turn around and try to extort more from a team.
 
Why wouldn't you, if you were McPhee? He specifically said no deals were final. I'm pretty sure he's running this like a protection racket.

It's Anaheim's own dumb fault if they lose both their defensemen but won't pony up to protect them.

Edit: I can see VGK laying off Vatanen/Manson if Anaheim protected them with a top 50 pick and Sam Steel/Shea Theodore + random expansion pick, which is easy enough for Anaheim to give up but not so easy for poaching teams to meet.
 

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