Pre-Season: Sabres @ Leafs - Sept. 22, 7:00pm - LeafsTV, TSN 1050

[Britishbulldog]

I'm really not a huge fan of fighting in hockey in general but I'm having a hard time understanding why Devane is at fault in the situation.  Devane is a fighter.  Right now the two fighters on the team are injured and he has a legitimate chance of making the team. 

Corey Tropp in 2010-2011 had 9 fights in the AHL.  In 2011-2012 he had 7 fights.  Last year he didn't really fight but he isn't exactly a guy with a perfectly clean record in terms of dropping the gloves. 

You are bang on with your accessment of Tropp.  I don't know if you only saw the fight totals of each year or did you see games played as well?

He only played 6 games last year (due to an nasty MCL and ACL injury he suffered in a single hit), all in the AHL and got in a fight (behind the play with play) with Albany Devil captain, 6'5" 220 lbs Jay Leach.

AHL history:
12/13 6 games played, 7 PIMs.
11/12* 27 games played, 46 PIMs.
10/11 76 games played, 113 PIMs.

*played 34 games in the NHL as well

 

[scottishleaf]

Quick question and apologies if covered:

The Leafs have 3 exhibition games left, if, as expected, Clarkson gets an automatic 10 game suspension are the exhibition games included or will he miss the first 10 regular season games?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Quick question and apologies if covered:

The Leafs have 3 exhibition games left, if, as expected, Clarkson gets an automatic 10 game suspension are the exhibition games included or will he miss the first 10 regular season games?

He would miss the first 10 regular season games.

 

[scottishleaf]

Quick question and apologies if covered:

The Leafs have 3 exhibition games left, if, as expected, Clarkson gets an automatic 10 game suspension are the exhibition games included or will he miss the first 10 regular season games?

He would miss the first 10 regular season games.

Thanks

So likely return is Friday 25th against the Bluejackets

Seems a bit strange he could be suspended but still play the last 3 games of the pre-season and then miss the next 10. Would make more sense for him to be suspended now and miss the next 10 games the Leafs play whether exhibition or regular season.

It's likely Phil Kessel will also be suspended for having to defend himself from a goon... A costly game all round!

 

[Redleaf]

Quick question and apologies if covered:

The Leafs have 3 exhibition games left, if, as expected, Clarkson gets an automatic 10 game suspension are the exhibition games included or will he miss the first 10 regular season games?

He would miss the first 10 regular season games.

So if it's 10 regular season games, then he can technically still play the preseason games?

 

[scottishleaf]

Quick question and apologies if covered:

The Leafs have 3 exhibition games left, if, as expected, Clarkson gets an automatic 10 game suspension are the exhibition games included or will he miss the first 10 regular season games?

He would miss the first 10 regular season games.

So if it's 10 regular season games, then he can technically still play the preseason games?

Seems that way which is pretty illogical but this is the NHL so anything is possible! ???

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Where in North America can you get away with aggravated assault?

 

[Jalili]

It's likely Phil Kessel will also be suspended for having to defend himself from a goon... A costly game all round!

It shouldn't be likely at all.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It's likely Phil Kessel will also be suspended for having to defend himself from a goon... A costly game all round!

It shouldn't be likely at all.

I'd say a fine is likely, but that's it.

 

[TML fan]

You can't two hand people with your stick, defending yourself or not. I think he'll get a game, but it will probably be a preseason game and maybe a small fine.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Where in North America can you get away with aggravated assault?

So every play in football is assault.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So if it's 10 regular season games, then he can technically still play the preseason games?

Seems that way which is pretty illogical but this is the NHL so anything is possible! ???

Paul Bissonnette also received a 10-game suspension for leaving the bench during a fight earlier in the preseason and he played in Phoenix's most recent game, so yeah it looks like Clarkson can play in the preseason. The wording of the rule is that a player is suspended for 10 regular season or playoff games. It makes sense that preseason matches aren't counted as they don't cost the player anything. I thought maybe they would ban him from the rest of the preseason on top of the 10 games but that's not the case.

 

[ZBBM]

Maybe I haven't seen a full roster of quotes, but based on what I have seen, I am a little baffled by the lack of outrage on Carlyle's part.  He's right to call out Clarkson for making a mistake (an understatement), but I've seen nothing where he goes after Rolston and/or Scott.  I keep flashing back to that great tape of Burns going ballistic back in the day.

The idea that (as someone put it earlier in the thread) a useless goon like Scott can literally attack another player in a premeditated way and end up getting off ... er... scot-free -- that's just outrageous.  If I were Carlyle I'd be saying so.

 

[ZBBM]

Where in North America can you get away with aggravated assault?

This is just it.

Staged fighting has no place anywhere in sport.  The sooner the idiots who run the NHL figure this out, the better.

 

[scottishleaf]

So if it's 10 regular season games, then he can technically still play the preseason games?

Seems that way which is pretty illogical but this is the NHL so anything is possible! ???

Paul Bissonnette also received a 10-game suspension for leaving the bench during a fight earlier in the preseason and he played in Phoenix's most recent game, so yeah it looks like Clarkson can play in the preseason. The wording of the rule is that a player is suspended for 10 regular season or playoff games. It makes sense that preseason matches aren't counted as they don't cost the player anything. I thought maybe they would ban him from the rest of the preseason on top of the 10 games but that's not the case.

I guess that the rule stating it's regular season or play off games determines the outcome. I'm pleased that any Kessel suspension is likely to be completed during the exhibition phase. I guess we should be thankful the rules for a two handed chop with a stick don't have the words regular or playoff in them!

 

[Peter D.]

It's likely Phil Kessel will also be suspended for having to defend himself from a goon... A costly game all round!

It shouldn't be likely at all.

I'd say a fine is likely, but that's it.

I'd actually be quite shocked if Kessel didn't get a suspension.  Whatever circumstances they may be, you can't go swinging your stick like that.

 

[AvroArrow]

Maybe I haven't seen a full roster of quotes, but based on what I have seen, I am a little baffled by the lack of outrage on Carlyle's part.  He's right to call out Clarkson for making a mistake (an understatement), but I've seen nothing where he goes after Rolston and/or Scott.  I keep flashing back to that great tape of Burns going ballistic back in the day.

The idea that (as someone put it earlier in the thread) a useless goon like Scott can literally attack another player in a premeditated way and end up getting off ... er... scot-free -- that's just outrageous.  If I were Carlyle I'd be saying so.

I suspect he's just playing it cool until the league responds.

 

[AvroArrow]

You can't two hand people with your stick, defending yourself or not.

I don't know, if some behemoth tells me he's gonna attack me, I'm not waiting for him to have the upper hand.  I'll defend aggressively first with whatever means necessary.  I have no issue with what Kessel did.  That wasn't a hockey situation - that was a threat of attack.

 

[AvroArrow]

Where in North America can you get away with aggravated assault?

So every play in football is assault.

You know the difference between what Scott did and plays within the context of the game, right?  There's a reason why Bertuzzi was charged, for instance.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Where in North America can you get away with aggravated assault?

So every play in football is assault.

You know the difference between what Scott did and plays within the context of the game, right?  There's a reason why Bertuzzi was charged, for instance.

Scott's an idiot but he didn't actually do much of anything because Kessel got out of there in a hurry.  I don't think it is comparable in the least to what Bertuzzi did - and not sure how an attack from behind on an unsuspecting player is the same as Scott telling Kessel ahead of time that he was going to fight him, and then not actually getting to fight him.

And we shouldn't pretend like acts are allowed to happen in sports that aren't in day-to-day life all the time without criminal charges. 

Slashing - would be a charge
Checking - would be a charge
Fighting - would be a charge

etc, etc.

Heck, almost any physical play could be, so if we're not considering a 2:00 slashing penalty and such to be aggravated assault, then what is the aggravated assault in this case?