Predators @ Leafs - Nov. 18th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050

[bustaheims]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

 

[lamajama]

Unfortunately Dion is going nowhere. His contract combined with the potential of the cap not going up means ZERO chance of a team paying him $7 mil.

We're stuck with a maddingly inconsistent poor hockey sense D man

 

[freer]

officials have been awful. But I may be a bit bias..

 

[ZBBM]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

I never said it wasn't.  But by the same token, to claim that there's no such things as a centerpiece is just you being disingenuous.  Like Lidstrom wasn't a centerpiece?

Anyway, my thinking is that if the whole D is as bad as ours, and one guy has been at the head of it so long, then it's time for a major change starting at the top.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

It's funny, coming into this gamePhaneuf has 2nd most 5on5 TOI among Leafs D and the 2nd lowest GA per 60 minutes of all D on the team.  Coming into this game he had been on the ice at 5 on 5 for 14 goals for and 11 against.

He's apparently terrible but somehow plays a ton of minutes and almost no other D on the team is on for less GA per 60 minutes of ice.

 

[azzurri63]

Someone at the ACC buy Gaustad a beer.

 

[freer]

I honestly thought that Dion was going to get killed there.

 

[ZBBM]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

It's funny, coming into this gamePhaneuf has 2nd most 5on5 TOI among Leafs D and the 2nd lowest GA per 60 minutes of all D on the team.  Coming into this game he had been on the ice at 5 on 5 for 14 goals for and 11 against.

He's apparently terrible but somehow plays a ton of minutes and almost no other D on the team is on for less GA per 60 minutes of ice.

Here's another stat to feed into your comp: total number of playoff series won since Phaneuf's arrival =

 

[Strangelove]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

It's funny, coming into this gamePhaneuf has 2nd most 5on5 TOI among Leafs D and the 2nd lowest GA per 60 minutes of all D on the team.  Coming into this game he had been on the ice at 5 on 5 for 14 goals for and 11 against.

He's apparently terrible but somehow plays a ton of minutes and almost no other D on the team is on for less GA per 60 minutes of ice.

I actually think he's been mostly fine this year, except for the past few games. But he's not an elite defenceman and shouldn't be paid like one.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that he's beginning to regress back to the norm, the same way he did last year when he started off by getting his +/- to something like +20 before playing some awful hockey for the last half of the season.

 

[Tigger]

Nice of Dion to step up there, more practically, he wrestled a guy for a good long while after an icing.

 

[freer]

That was a good shift for Kadri kessel and JVR.... other then the won faceoff win nothing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Is Kadri with Kessel and JVR!?

 

[ZBBM]

Komarov has my MotM vote so far just for that hit there.

 

[freer]

Another Gardiner moment....

 

[azzurri63]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

It's funny, coming into this gamePhaneuf has 2nd most 5on5 TOI among Leafs D and the 2nd lowest GA per 60 minutes of all D on the team.  Coming into this game he had been on the ice at 5 on 5 for 14 goals for and 11 against.

He's apparently terrible but somehow plays a ton of minutes and almost no other D on the team is on for less GA per 60 minutes of ice.

Here's another stat to feed into your comp: total number of playoff series won since Phaneuf's arrival =

Lost cause ZZ. I do agree with busta yes it's a team game and our defenve play has not changed since Wilson hired on. I used to blame Wilson, along came Carlyle and no change. Maybe it's the players. I've given up. As far as Dion u know my feelings. Ya all our D make mistakes Potvin but not all of them have the experience Dion has, the C stamped on his jersey and none make the ridiculous amount of money Flopneuf makes.

 

[bustaheims]

I never said it wasn't.  But by the same token, to claim that there's no such things as a centerpiece is just you being disingenuous.  Like Lidstrom wasn't a centerpiece?

Anyway, my thinking is that if the whole D is as bad as ours, and one guy has been at the head of it so long, then it's time for a major change starting at the top.

No. Lidstrom had guys like Rafalski, Coffey, Chelios, Kronwall, Schneider, etc. to work with over the years. Detroit was a team that really understood that no one player makes a defence. He may have been their best defenceman, but he wasn't the centrepiece, because they really didn't have one. Teams that look to guys as centrepieces are teams that don't go far. Teams that build their defence knowing better do.

And, starting with Phaneuf isn't starting at the top. The top is Nonis and Carlyle. Starting anywhere else is starting in the middle.

 

[bustaheims]

Here's another stat to feed into your comp: total number of playoff series won since Phaneuf's arrival =

Yes, because the team as a whole has not played well or has had fatal flaws in vitally important positions while he's been here. He's not the reason they haven't won anything. Putting that on him just makes you look poorly informed about how team sports work.

 

[ZBBM]

I never said it wasn't.  But by the same token, to claim that there's no such things as a centerpiece is just you being disingenuous.  Like Lidstrom wasn't a centerpiece?

Anyway, my thinking is that if the whole D is as bad as ours, and one guy has been at the head of it so long, then it's time for a major change starting at the top.

No. Lidstrom had guys like Rafalski, Coffey, Chelios, Kronwall, Schneider, etc. to work with over the years. Detroit was a team that really understood that no one player makes a defence. He may have been their best defenceman, but he wasn't the centrepiece, because they really didn't have one. Teams that look to guys as centrepieces are teams that don't go far. Teams that build their defence knowing better do.

And, starting with Phaneuf isn't starting at the top. The top is Nonis and Carlyle. Starting anywhere else is starting in the middle.

Uh, whatever then.  FWIW you know I agree with you re Nonis & Carlyle.

 

[ZBBM]

Oh come on, busta. 

Anyhow, if there's no such thing as centerpiece, then you shouldn't have any objection to trading him.

No, you come on. Defence is, and has always been, a team wide responsibility. Phaneuf isn't so bad that he's dragging them down. They're down there as a unit.

And, I have objections to moving anyone out when it's being done to make them a scapegoat for a much larger issue.

It's funny, coming into this gamePhaneuf has 2nd most 5on5 TOI among Leafs D and the 2nd lowest GA per 60 minutes of all D on the team.  Coming into this game he had been on the ice at 5 on 5 for 14 goals for and 11 against.

He's apparently terrible but somehow plays a ton of minutes and almost no other D on the team is on for less GA per 60 minutes of ice.

Here's another stat to feed into your comp: total number of playoff series won since Phaneuf's arrival =

Lost cause ZZ. I do agree with busta yes it's a team game and our defenve play has not changed since Wilson hired on. I used to blame Wilson, along came Carlyle and no change. Maybe it's the players. I've given up. As far as Dion u know my feelings. Ya all our D make mistakes Potvin but not all of them have the experience Dion has, the C stamped on his jersey and none make the ridiculous amount of money Flopneuf makes.

I know man, it really is a lost cause.

 

[freer]

Well second period has been good for TO.

Reimer has been steady. With no rebounds.