Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[bustaheims]

DarrenDreger: Sources say Paul Maurice has agreed to a multi-year extension as head coach of the Winnipeg Jets.  #TSN

Another one off the list.

 

[L K]

Rosie DiManno says Carlyle isn't getting fired:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/04/15/blame_delusional_players_not_randy_carlyle_for_leafs_collapse_dimanno.html

I love it when the media reaffirms my stance by having the least reputable of their brethren spew out a bunch of crap. Carlyle is done with the Leafs.

I know that there were insinuations about how she got her position, but it amazes me that with the messed up state of the newspaper industry as it is; someone who writes as poorly as she does, that can't write a balanced piece to save her life is not only someone with job security, but someone who seems to get to write about whatever the hell she feels like regardless of topic.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

In 148 games as Leafs coach, Carlyle has won only 70. In a league where roughly 92 points is now an average team, Toronto has been an 86-point one under his guidance, one outscored 442 to 406 even though his goaltenders have had a very respectable .913 save percentage in that span.

More troublingly, the Leafs have been outshot progressively worse as the seasons have gone on, with their shot differential under Carlyle now ballooning to an average of minus-7.1 per game.

While he had success with the Anaheim Ducks seven years ago in winning a championship, Carlyle?s teams also developed these same issues at the end of his tenure there, which eventually led to his firing at the start of the 2011-12 season.

Despite recognizing and consistently stating the possession problem throughout the year in Toronto, there was never any indication he was able to fix it, and the Leafs dropped to an embarrassingly low 41.5 per cent possession rating ? ahead of only Buffalo ? by season?s end.

It?s a number that has dropped in five successive seasons for Carlyle?s teams.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/randy-carlyle-left-twisting-in-the-wind-by-leafs/article18013168/

You gotta feel for Randy that none of the players on his last 5 rosters would just COMPETE.

 

[ZBBM]

I don't think much of diManno as a writer and if Carlyle isn't fired I'll be shocked.  But IF Gardiner is comparing himself to the league's best roving d-men, and IF he just refused to be constrained at the end of the season, both of those would be of concern to me.

The trouble is, all this is innuendo, the stock-in-trade of crappy TO hockey journalists going to back to luminaries like Strachan.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

IF he just refused to be constrained at the end of the season, both of those would be of concern to me.

That's not even what Carlyle said.  He said that the player believed that the "leash he was afforded in the beginning of the season wasn?t as long as the one that was afforded at the end of the season.?  So the player felt that earlier in the season he wasn't being allowed to do what he was towards the end of the season.  That would suggest not that he wasn't allowed but that towards the end of the season he WAS allowed.

And who knows who Gardiner compared himself to?  DiManno and anyone else are just throwing out names, because for some reason Carlyle decided to say that and now it can be a sweet little rumour mill for no reason. 

 

[Deebo]

I didn't hear the comments, but there are quite a few out there who think he was talking about Franson and not Gardiner.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't know if I would call Franson a "young, rover style defenseman" but I suppose it is up for debate.

 

[Zee]

I don't know if I would call Franson a "young, rover style defenseman" but I suppose it is up for debate.

I agree, the use of the term "rover style" leads me to believe he was talking about Gardiner.  Never really heard Franson referred to in that way.

 

[ZBBM]

IF he just refused to be constrained at the end of the season, both of those would be of concern to me.

That's not even what Carlyle said.  He said that the player believed that the "leash he was afforded in the beginning of the season wasn?t as long as the one that was afforded at the end of the season.?  So the player felt that earlier in the season he wasn't being allowed to do what he was towards the end of the season.  That would suggest not that he wasn't allowed but that towards the end of the season he WAS allowed.

And who knows who Gardiner compared himself to?  DiManno and anyone else are just throwing out names, because for some reason Carlyle decided to say that and now it can be a sweet little rumour mill for no reason.

Well, there you go.  Hence "innuendo" and "crappy" in my original post.

 

[L K]

I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

In 148 games as Leafs coach, Carlyle has won only 70. In a league where roughly 92 points is now an average team, Toronto has been an 86-point one under his guidance, one outscored 442 to 406 even though his goaltenders have had a very respectable .913 save percentage in that span.

More troublingly, the Leafs have been outshot progressively worse as the seasons have gone on, with their shot differential under Carlyle now ballooning to an average of minus-7.1 per game.

While he had success with the Anaheim Ducks seven years ago in winning a championship, Carlyle?s teams also developed these same issues at the end of his tenure there, which eventually led to his firing at the start of the 2011-12 season.

Despite recognizing and consistently stating the possession problem throughout the year in Toronto, there was never any indication he was able to fix it, and the Leafs dropped to an embarrassingly low 41.5 per cent possession rating ? ahead of only Buffalo ? by season?s end.

It?s a number that has dropped in five successive seasons for Carlyle?s teams.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/randy-carlyle-left-twisting-in-the-wind-by-leafs/article18013168/

You gotta feel for Randy that none of the players on his last 5 rosters would just COMPETE.

Well, he was stuck with low-character players like Perry and Getzlaf when in Anaheim at that time.  They don't have an ounce of character unlike Cup winning Carlyle.

Honeslty, I don't understand why Carlyle's performance over the last 7 years isn't the more pressing issue rather than what a team did 7 years ago.  We sure as heck don't call Kulemin a 30 goal premiere forward anymore.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

In 148 games as Leafs coach, Carlyle has won only 70. In a league where roughly 92 points is now an average team, Toronto has been an 86-point one under his guidance, one outscored 442 to 406 even though his goaltenders have had a very respectable .913 save percentage in that span.

More troublingly, the Leafs have been outshot progressively worse as the seasons have gone on, with their shot differential under Carlyle now ballooning to an average of minus-7.1 per game.

While he had success with the Anaheim Ducks seven years ago in winning a championship, Carlyle?s teams also developed these same issues at the end of his tenure there, which eventually led to his firing at the start of the 2011-12 season.

Despite recognizing and consistently stating the possession problem throughout the year in Toronto, there was never any indication he was able to fix it, and the Leafs dropped to an embarrassingly low 41.5 per cent possession rating ? ahead of only Buffalo ? by season?s end.

It?s a number that has dropped in five successive seasons for Carlyle?s teams.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/randy-carlyle-left-twisting-in-the-wind-by-leafs/article18013168/

You gotta feel for Randy that none of the players on his last 5 rosters would just COMPETE.

Well, he was stuck with low-character players like Perry and Getzlaf when in Anaheim at that time.  They don't have an ounce of character unlike Cup winning Carlyle.

Can't win with those guy---wait...

 

[Kin]

Honeslty, I don't understand why Carlyle's performance over the last 7 years isn't the more pressing issue rather than what a team did 7 years ago.

Because "Carlyle's performance" doesn't have agreed upon parameters?

 

[Corn Flake]

DarrenDreger: Sources say Paul Maurice has agreed to a multi-year extension as head coach of the Winnipeg Jets.  #TSN

Another one off the list.

You didn't seriously have him on your list, did you?

 

[Kin]

DarrenDreger: Sources say Paul Maurice has agreed to a multi-year extension as head coach of the Winnipeg Jets.  #TSN

Another one off the list.

You didn't seriously have him on your list, did you?

"Meet the new boss, he actually was the old boss"

 

[cw]

Few would blame Carlyle for the whole result of this season. The talent on this roster is flawed - always was and that's not news to most. But there's a pretty good case to be made that he underachieved with the talent he had to work with this season.

.318 hockey down the stretch makes you wonder if he lost the room.

No matter what he tried, for whatever reason, he couldn't seem to get them to play a more competitive style defensively. Some of the responsibility for that has to lie with the coach.

Generally, I haven't minded him as a NHL coach over his career. Didn't mind him as the Leafs coach either. But this team is kind of contractually stuck with this flawed core for a while. So I don't know how Carlyle can survive ... "you can't change all of the players so ..."

Hard for me to say much more because I didn't see much of the team this year. Sorry I couldn't be around to contribute.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't know if I would call Franson a "young, rover style defenseman" but I suppose it is up for debate.

The whole leash thing screams Gardiner too. At the beginning of the season he was lugging the puck up the ice all the time, and then he almost never did that for a month or two before he started doing it more often again near the end.

 

[bustaheims]

You didn't seriously have him on your list, did you?

He really turned Winnipeg around (only to be betrayed by terrible goaltending). He may not have been at the top of my list, but it would have been irresponsible not to consider him as a candidate.

 

[Andy007]

You didn't seriously have him on your list, did you?

He really turned Winnipeg around (only to be betrayed by terrible goaltending). He may not have been at the top of my list, but it would have been irresponsible not to consider him as a candidate.

I would have had him on my list too. He put together a couple of pretty competitive Leafs teams despite absolutely atrocious goaltending.

 

[Corn Flake]

I don't think much of diManno as a writer and if Carlyle isn't fired I'll be shocked.  But IF Gardiner is comparing himself to the league's best roving d-men, and IF he just refused to be constrained at the end of the season, both of those would be of concern to me.

The trouble is, all this is innuendo, the stock-in-trade of crappy TO hockey journalists going to back to luminaries like Strachan.

I didn't read her article because she is awful, but what Carlyle said was definitely about Gardiner. And if Gardiner was arguing he's another Karlsson who is simply being held back by the coaching staff, then he is dreaming, or listening too much to his idiot agent (who I actually think he fired).

And I don't think she could be more wrong about Carlyle surviving. 

 

[cw]

You didn't seriously have him on your list, did you?

He really turned Winnipeg around (only to be betrayed by terrible goaltending). He may not have been at the top of my list, but it would have been irresponsible not to consider him as a candidate.

I've always enjoyed him as a coach