The Habs Thread - Reloaded

[bustaheims]

Well, with the exception of the relative success of the Blackhawks vs. the Blues, I agree.

Well, obviously I was referring to roles and professional experiences, rather than organizational success - the degree to which each individual contributed is highly debatable and beyond the scope of the fans.

 

[Kin]

Well, obviously I was referring to roles and professional experiences, rather than organizational success - the degree to which each individual contributed is highly debatable and beyond the scope of the fans.

Yeah, but that remains the single least palatable thing about the JFJ hire to me. I've always thought that if you were going to take a shot with a first time GM you'd at least want to hire a guy from an organization that was excelling.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, but that remains the single least palatable thing about the JFJ hire to me. I've always thought that if you were going to take a shot with a first time GM you'd at least want to hire a guy from an organization that was excelling.

In fairness, the Blues had won the President's Trophy a few years before the hire and came in 2nd in their division behind one of the greatest teams of their era in the other 3. Their lowest point total in the 4 seasons before JFJ was hired was 98 (good for 8th overall that season). They may not have won the Cup, but they were a very very good team.

 

[ZBBM]

So the Habs have hired as their GM a comedian?  A guy who once gave a team talk dressed in a toga?

 

[#1PilarFan]

Bergevin's an interesting choice, in that his resume is very similar to what JFJ's was before the Leafs hired him.

Well, with the exception of the relative success of the Blackhawks vs. the Blues, I agree.

That and I never found JFJ to be all that funny.

 

[hockeyfan1]

So the Habs have hired as their GM a comedian?  A guy who once gave a team talk dressed in a toga?

At least he's French. 

 

[maplesyrup]

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle
Bergevin said his first phone call today was to Randy Cunneyworth to tell him to he would be back as an assistant coach.

Hey! Some class from a Habs GM! Bravo!

 

[Deebo]

I think that decision should be left to the head coach.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think that decision should be left to the head coach.

I think so too.. Perhaps he was told he's be back in some sort of capacity? Either way, still a classy thing to do to tell him where he stands from the get-go.

 

[L K]

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Leafs haven't been asked by Habs to speak to Rick Dudley. But, expect Dudley and Marty Lapointe to be among Bergevin's early hires

It'll be a shame to lose Dudley.

Isn't Dudley already an assisted GM?  Why would he leave the Leafs for the same position with the Habs?

He's one of several here, but would be THE assistant there?  Also, the Chicago connection I would assume is probably stronger than the Burke one.

 

[Zee]

I think that decision should be left to the head coach.

Cunneyworth will become the "Keith Acton" of Montreal assistants, just hangs around through multiple coaching changes.

 

[Kin]

In fairness, the Blues had won the President's Trophy a few years before the hire and came in 2nd in their division behind one of the greatest teams of their era in the other 3.

A president's trophy that was immediately followed up by a first round exit. Personally, when that hire was made, I certainly wasn't hoping the Leafs could find someone to replicate the success the Blues were having.

 

[Corn Flake]

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Leafs haven't been asked by Habs to speak to Rick Dudley. But, expect Dudley and Marty Lapointe to be among Bergevin's early hires

It'll be a shame to lose Dudley.

Isn't Dudley already an assisted GM?  Why would he leave the Leafs for the same position with the Habs?

He's one of several here, but would be THE assistant there?  Also, the Chicago connection I would assume is probably stronger than the Burke one.

I don't see that not being a lateral no matter how many Assistant GM's Burke has here.  I don't think he would let the guy go for a lateral move to a team in the same division, unless he doesn't want him around anymore.  Plus, with the Habs drafting 2 spots ahead of the Leafs, there is going to be a lot of information switching tables at the last minute. 

I hope Dudley stays. Having him around for this draft pick is important, IMO.

 

[L K]

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Leafs haven't been asked by Habs to speak to Rick Dudley. But, expect Dudley and Marty Lapointe to be among Bergevin's early hires

It'll be a shame to lose Dudley.

Isn't Dudley already an assisted GM?  Why would he leave the Leafs for the same position with the Habs?

He's one of several here, but would be THE assistant there?  Also, the Chicago connection I would assume is probably stronger than the Burke one.

I don't see that not being a lateral no matter how many Assistant GM's Burke has here.  I don't think he would let the guy go for a lateral move to a team in the same division, unless he doesn't want him around anymore.  Plus, with the Habs drafting 2 spots ahead of the Leafs, there is going to be a lot of information switching tables at the last minute. 

I hope Dudley stays. Having him around for this draft pick is important, IMO.

Given that he hasn't gone yet AND the Habs haven't asked for him yet, I would assume it might be a case that they would wait until July 1st or something like that to let him go free?

For the record, I hope he stays too, but the hockey fraternity also seems to like to keep their colleagues happy, and Burke might view this as more of a veteran guy going to help mentor an inexperienced peer (and in some ways also creating a receptive ear for trade discussions).

 

[Zee]

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Leafs haven't been asked by Habs to speak to Rick Dudley. But, expect Dudley and Marty Lapointe to be among Bergevin's early hires

It'll be a shame to lose Dudley.

Isn't Dudley already an assisted GM?  Why would he leave the Leafs for the same position with the Habs?

He's one of several here, but would be THE assistant there?  Also, the Chicago connection I would assume is probably stronger than the Burke one.

I don't see that not being a lateral no matter how many Assistant GM's Burke has here.  I don't think he would let the guy go for a lateral move to a team in the same division, unless he doesn't want him around anymore.  Plus, with the Habs drafting 2 spots ahead of the Leafs, there is going to be a lot of information switching tables at the last minute. 

I hope Dudley stays. Having him around for this draft pick is important, IMO.

Given that he hasn't gone yet AND the Habs haven't asked for him yet, I would assume it might be a case that they would wait until July 1st or something like that to let him go free?

For the record, I hope he stays too, but the hockey fraternity also seems to like to keep their colleagues happy, and Burke might view this as more of a veteran guy going to help mentor an inexperienced peer (and in some ways also creating a receptive ear for trade discussions).

In other words planting a "mole" in the Habs front office that will trade Carey Price to the Leafs for scraps? 

 

[Peter D.]

I think that decision should be left to the head coach.

I thought I read yesterday that he currently will be brought back as an assistant, but once the new head coach is in place, it will be his decision whether to do so or not. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
Expect Rick Dudley to be soon named asst gm of the Mtl Canadiens. Marc Bergevin and Leafs gm Brian Burke are in discussions.

Like #3 for #5 discussions? 

Edit:

Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
Dudley's move is complicated as he's done extensive work on Draft for Tor. Leafs would prefer his start with Mtl be delayed to after D

So, maybe we would seek some form of compensation?

Edit II:

Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
NHL no longer allows for compensation when execs or coaches jump. This issue will be raised again by teams impacted .

Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
Dudley also has an "out" in his contract with Toronto. More discussions between Burke and Bergevin required before move is official.

Hmm... Well this is interesting.

 

[bustaheims]

Most likely, it's just a timing thing. No way Burke lets him go before the draft with Bergevin agreeing to some form of deal that is indirect compensation - as in a trade that favours the Leafs . . . like, for instance, a straight up way of 1st round picks. ;D

 

[maplesyrup]

Then Edmonton might feel more comfortable swapping #1 for #3 and still get the player they want (speculation being it's Murray.) 

 

[Kin]

Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
NHL no longer allows for compensation when execs or coaches jump. This issue will be raised again by teams impacted .

Why wouldn't the teams affected simply no longer let executives leave? In the intermission of the overtime game this was presented as though teams are really hard done by in this situation but it seems to be another case of NHL front offices being strung up by their own stupidity again.