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sickbeast said:As usual, some of you guys are being argumentative, full of bombast, for no reason. There is no actual substance to your comments. Have a look here:Nik the Trik said:Yup. If there's one guy who you can't accuse of cheating, it's the guy who signed the contract that caused the NHL to accuse him of circumventing the cap and fined his team and took away their draft picks.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/leafs%e2%80%99-salary-cap-could-hinge-on-exam-of-joffrey-lupul/ar-AAssbr3?li=AAggNb9&ocid=spartanntp
?The player is not fit to play,? said a source close to the situation, and echoed by others.
Most people work based on facts and knowledge. You are spewing misinformation and you're adding nothing at all to the discussion. Why am I not surprised? :
sickbeast said:As usual, some of you guys are being argumentative, full of bombast, for no reason. There is no actual substance to your comments. Have a look here:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/leafs%e2%80%99-salary-cap-could-hinge-on-exam-of-joffrey-lupul/ar-AAssbr3?li=AAggNb9&ocid=spartanntp
?The player is not fit to play,? said a source close to the situation, and echoed by others.
Most people work based on facts and knowledge. You are spewing misinformation and you're adding nothing at all to the discussion. Why am I not surprised? :
None of that changes the fact that Lupul is definitely injured and should have kept his mouth shut.Nik the Trik said:sickbeast said:As usual, some of you guys are being argumentative, full of bombast, for no reason. There is no actual substance to your comments. Have a look here:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/leafs%e2%80%99-salary-cap-could-hinge-on-exam-of-joffrey-lupul/ar-AAssbr3?li=AAggNb9&ocid=spartanntp
?The player is not fit to play,? said a source close to the situation, and echoed by others.
Most people work based on facts and knowledge. You are spewing misinformation and you're adding nothing at all to the discussion. Why am I not surprised? :
I'm not entirely sure what your quote there is supposed to mean. We know people close to the situation are saying Lupul can't play. The Leafs and their doctor, who are pretty close to the situation, said he's unfit to play. What the issue has always been is the veracity of that statement.
But even still, nothing of what Frank, busta and I said was about whether or not Lupul is legitimately as injured as the Leafs have said. Me and Frank were talking about the idea that suggesting Lamoriello broke the rules is somehow absurd when he is probably the most high-profile rule breaking GM in recent NHL history. Then Busta talked about other problems with what Cherry said, again all factual.
sickbeast said:None of that changes the fact that Lupul is definitely injured and should have kept his mouth shut.
Look, you're just some guy on a web forum. You're saying guys like Don Cherry are wrong, and you're questioning both Lou Lamoriello and the team doctor's integrity. If Lupul should have said what he said, then why did he retract it? Why did he decline his opportunity for a second opinion?Nik the Trik said:sickbeast said:None of that changes the fact that Lupul is definitely injured and should have kept his mouth shut.
Neither of those things are really facts. Lupul may be injured and the NHL is going to independently determine that. As to what he should have done, well, that's something I think we've gone over a lot in this thread. Opinions vary.
sickbeast said:Look, you're just some guy on a web forum.
sickbeast said:You're saying guys like Don Cherry are wrong...
sickbeast said:and you're questioning both Lou Lamoriello and the team doctor's integrity.
sickbeast said:If Lupul should have said what he said, then why did he retract it? Why did he decline his opportunity for a second opinion?
Well we're not disagreeing about much then, actually. Somehow the way you come across is extremely argumentative. However we actually agree for the most part.Nik the Trik said:sickbeast said:Look, you're just some guy on a web forum.
No doubt.
sickbeast said:You're saying guys like Don Cherry are wrong...
Indeed. Of course, I say Don Cherry is wrong about things most weeks. Remember that one time he went on and on about why Joe Pavelski wasn't on Team Canada?
sickbeast said:and you're questioning both Lou Lamoriello and the team doctor's integrity.
Yes. I am questioning Lamoriello's integrity on the basis of the fact that he's cheated before and so I don't look at him cheating as being outside the realm of possibility. That seems pretty fair to me.
sickbeast said:If Lupul should have said what he said, then why did he retract it? Why did he decline his opportunity for a second opinion?
This seems fairly paradoxical. "Joffrey Lupul did something really stupid...how can you think Joffrey Lupul's judgement might be off?".
sickbeast said:I'm surprised it's taking this long for the Lupul situation to get resolved. The roster has to be finalized by Tuesday. I wonder if we will find out the league's determination tomorrow. Imagine the Leafs lose the Stanley Cup final in seven games this year. You just know that extra $4 million in cap space would have made the difference they needed. It will be really frustrating if this whole thing holds back the team in any meaningful way this season.
I'd like to see the Leafs go to the Stanley Cup final this year. I hardly think if you go to one game, winner take all you can point back to the Lupul situation and say "oh they would have won game 7 if only that money could have been used on player X!" I mean anything can happen in one gamesickbeast said:I'm surprised it's taking this long for the Lupul situation to get resolved. The roster has to be finalized by Tuesday. I wonder if we will find out the league's determination tomorrow. Imagine the Leafs lose the Stanley Cup final in seven games this year. You just know that extra $4 million in cap space would have made the difference they needed. It will be really frustrating if this whole thing holds back the team in any meaningful way this season.
sickbeast said:That much money should be good for at least a 20 goal scorer on the open market. How many more wins is that? 5? 6?
sickbeast said:Well what if it prevents them from acquiring a rental at the deadline? $4 million buys a very nice rental, if not multiple rentals. Like I said, it could be the difference between them winning the cup and not.
Zee said:When will they give their verdict on this?