The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[pnjunction]

That's a 10 year asset if you draft a guy who can play. That's a 10 year asset. And to try desperately to get into the 8 hole and trade a 10 year asset? I have a much longer view than that.

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I'm speechless.  Talk of trading away 10-year assets for players that won't be around that long and how long his view is.  Year 3 of 5 is circling the bowl Brian....

"I'm not interested ... in a five-year rebuild like some of these teams have done," said Burke. "Maybe because of my age, maybe just because I know it doesn't have to be five years because it wasn't in Anaheim.

 

[drummond]

That's a 10 year asset if you draft a guy who can play. That's a 10 year asset. And to try desperately to get into the 8 hole and trade a 10 year asset? I have a much longer view than that.

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I'm speechless.  Talk of trading away 10-year assets for players that won't be around that long and how long his view is.  Year 3 of 5 is circling the bowl Brian....

"I'm not interested ... in a five-year rebuild like some of these teams have done," said Burke. "Maybe because of my age, maybe just because I know it doesn't have to be five years because it wasn't in Anaheim.

Well, so far it seams we?re on what 7 year track? Statements like that makes me lough.

 

[Bender]

this is no longer about firing wilson ..it's become more important than that..it's about liberating the players who are so obviously being oppressed by this man that they only way they can communicate their desire to see him gone is to lose and lose by a lot ..no team could truly be this awful..this is on purpose..this isn't hockey...this is a cry for help

I'm all for getting rid of Wilson but this is just insane.

 

[drummond]

I don't think that we'll go with Keenan if Wilson gets the boot. I think that Burkie would go with someone who's won the cup before, or someone within our organization. Probably the first.

For me it is between Carlyle and Eakins.
Carlyle won with Burke in Anaheim so there is no doubt very strong connection with BB. On top of that was drafted by the Leafs in mid 70?s and spent two seasons in blue and white.
Eakins was brought by Burkie and is part of the organisation. He knows most of the kids very well.

 

[jonlleafs]

I would like to bring Eakins in as an interim coach and see what he can do.  But on the flip side of that, it will affect the Marlies' chances for a long run in the playoffs.  But I really feel that Eakins has already developed some rapport with the AHL players and they should be more comfortable coming up and playing well for Eakins versus some other coach they don't know.

 

[Bender]

I would like to bring Eakins in as an interim coach and see what he can do.  But on the flip side of that, it will affect the Marlies' chances for a long run in the playoffs.  But I really feel that Eakins has already developed some rapport with the AHL players and they should be more comfortable coming up and playing well for Eakins versus some other coach they don't know.

Do you really think an organization as big as MLSE doesn't have synergies down at Ricoh? The system being taught by Eakins isn't a hell of a lot different than Wilsons. Several interviews state that they try to stay on the same page so that it's an easy transition.

 

[Redleaf]

I don't think that we'll go with Keenan if Wilson gets the boot. I think that Burkie would go with someone who's won the cup before, or someone within our organization. Probably the first.

For me it is between Carlyle and Eakins.
Carlyle won with Burke in Anaheim so there is no doubt very strong connection with BB. On top of that was drafted by the Leafs in mid 70?s and spent two seasons in blue and white.
Eakins was brought by Burkie and is part of the organisation. He knows most of the kids very well.

I'd be a little leery about bringing in a coach with a strong connection with Brian Burke again. He tends to hold on to them longer than he should.

 

[Guilt Trip]

The system being taught by Eakins isn't a hell of a lot different than Wilsons. Several interviews state that they try to stay on the same page so that it's an easy transition.

Then please explain why the Marlies are 2nd in goals against, and 1st in PK and tops in their division? Why does it work for Eakins, whose roster turns over more then a hot dog on the grill at the ACC and not for Wilson? Maybe the players want to play for Eakins?

 

[Guilt Trip]

I don't think that we'll go with Keenan if Wilson gets the boot. I think that Burkie would go with someone who's won the cup before, or someone within our organization. Probably the first.

I don't think Keenan either but he has won a cup.
I would like to say that in no way should Eakins, if it is him, should be coaching the Leafs until the Marlies are done the playoffs....so next year. I would seriously give him a shot.

 

[Stebro]

I don't think that we'll go with Keenan if Wilson gets the boot. I think that Burkie would go with someone who's won the cup before, or someone within our organization. Probably the first.

I don't think Keenan either but he has won a cup.
I would like to say that in no way should Eakins, if it is him, should be coaching the Leafs until the Marlies are done the playoffs....so next year. I would seriously give him a shot.

Yep, with the rangers if I remeber it correctly, but I don't think that they would pick Keenan due to his style, age and the fact that he is usually better with veterans, so it doesn't suit our team at the time. Just like others I think that Eakins and Carlyle would be likely candidates.

 

[cw]

The system being taught by Eakins isn't a hell of a lot different than Wilsons. Several interviews state that they try to stay on the same page so that it's an easy transition.

Then please explain why the Marlies are 2nd in goals against, and 1st in PK and tops in their division? Why does it work for Eakins, whose roster turns over more then a hot dog on the grill at the ACC and not for Wilson? Maybe the players want to play for Eakins?

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment:
Maybe the AHL talent Eakins has to work with is more competitive in that league than the NHL talent Wilson has to work with.

I suspect it's more than that or not as simple but I also think there is some merit to the above notion.

Eakins may have the best AHL roster any Leafs AHL coach ever had. If not, it's at least worthy of that sort of discussion.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, you couldn't reasonably expect Wilson to be fired after last night's game.  But now, after tonight, they have 2 days before MTL.  If ever there was a perfect time to let the guillotine drop, it's now.

 

[Bonsixx]

Well, you couldn't reasonably expect Wilson to be fired after last night's game.  But now, after tonight, they have 2 days before MTL.  If ever there was a perfect time to let the guillotine drop, it's now.

It's not gonna happen. If anything, Burke will use tonight's effort as evidence the team hasn't quit on Wilson.

Even though, if Ray Ferraro is to be believed, Wilson's terrible matchup decisions cost the Leafs the game.

 

[cw]

Well, you couldn't reasonably expect Wilson to be fired after last night's game.  But now, after tonight, they have 2 days before MTL.  If ever there was a perfect time to let the guillotine drop, it's now.

It's not gonna happen. If anything, Burke will use tonight's effort as evidence the team hasn't quit on Wilson.

Even though, if Ray Ferraro is to be believed, Wilson's terrible matchup decisions cost the Leafs the game.

That's a little tougher to criticize when a visiting coach like Wilson was tonight doesn't get last change. On one of the goals against for sure, Wilson was in the midst trying to get the 4th line off the ice.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Well, you couldn't reasonably expect Wilson to be fired after last night's game.  But now, after tonight, they have 2 days before MTL.  If ever there was a perfect time to let the guillotine drop, it's now.

It's not gonna happen. If anything, Burke will use tonight's effort as evidence the team hasn't quit on Wilson.

Even though, if Ray Ferraro is to be believed, Wilson's terrible matchup decisions cost the Leafs the game.

That's a little tougher to criticize when a visiting coach like Wilson was tonight doesn't get last change. On one of the goals against for sure, Wilson was in the midst trying to get the 4th line off the ice.

I don't think Chicago going back to Keith and Seabrook and pulling Oduya down. That changed the game a bit also and didn't help the Leafs. But in the end, they shouldn't have to score 5 goals to win and I'm not blaming Goose either, he should actually get another start.

 

[maplesyrup]

Guys, making a change right now does nothing. It's far too late. Just relax. Wilson has coached his way out of a job for next season. His extension will be considered his severance package. Just hang on another 17 games and it will all be over. Don't worry. 

 

[Swede]

Guys, making a change right now does nothing. It's far too late. Just relax. Wilson has coached his way out of a job for next season. His extension will be considered his severance package. Just hang on another 17 games and it will all be over. Don't worry.

It could save Burke's job.

 

[cw]

Guys, making a change right now does nothing. It's far too late. Just relax. Wilson has coached his way out of a job for next season. His extension will be considered his severance package. Just hang on another 17 games and it will all be over. Don't worry.

It could save Burke's job.

I don't think that's in jeopardy yet. He'll get one coaching change and at least next season. Tanenbaum will remember too well what it was like trying to replace Quinn with JFJ.

The Raptors Colangelo will probably go before Burke if things don't improve with the Raptors and they also remember too well what their prior Raptors GMs were like.

 

[Swede]

Guys, making a change right now does nothing. It's far too late. Just relax. Wilson has coached his way out of a job for next season. His extension will be considered his severance package. Just hang on another 17 games and it will all be over. Don't worry.

It could save Burke's job.

I don't think that's in jeopardy yet. He'll get one coaching change and at least next season. Tanenbaum will remember too well what it was like trying to replace Quinn with JFJ.

The Raptors Colangelo will probably go before Burke if things don't improve with the Raptors and they also remember too well what their prior Raptors GMs were like.

You are right he will get at least one coaching change.
But if he fails to use that option it should cost him his job

 

[cw]

Guys, making a change right now does nothing. It's far too late. Just relax. Wilson has coached his way out of a job for next season. His extension will be considered his severance package. Just hang on another 17 games and it will all be over. Don't worry.

It could save Burke's job.

I don't think that's in jeopardy yet. He'll get one coaching change and at least next season. Tanenbaum will remember too well what it was like trying to replace Quinn with JFJ.

The Raptors Colangelo will probably go before Burke if things don't improve with the Raptors and they also remember too well what their prior Raptors GMs were like.

You are right he will get at least one coaching change.
But if he fails to use that option it should cost him his job.

If he fails to make the playoffs next year, with or without Wilson as coach, with the change in ownership taking effect this June, his job would have to be in serious jeopardy. I'm still not completely confident that they'll fire him though. Some of that would depend on what other GMs would be available at that time and how the new ownership felt about them.

I do think he'll be able to say he's collected a bunch of pretty decent kids even if none of them are elite allstars (yet).