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Trade deadline moves

Nik the Trik said:
But also I really don't get the sort of weird "The Leafs will never be as good as they are this year" from some people. Next year might be tricky but after next year the Leafs are probably going to be a lot better than they are this year with quite a bit of cap space.

Since I somewhat touched on this I only meant the defence won't be as good next season as it is this season. After that Marleau will come off the books and we'll sign Pietrangelo as an UFA and we'll win all the Cups.
 
bustaheims said:
Yeah, that's fair. I don't think either move the needle enough to warrant much handwringing about.

It's kinda amazing how difficult it's been for this team to find an effective 4C the last like decade. Ignoring Boyle/Plekanec pick-ups we've gone through: Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore, Fehr, Ben Smith, Froese, Laich, Trevor Smith, Carrick, Smithson, Steckel.

Makes me miss Tim Brent.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Yeah, that's fair. I don't think either move the needle enough to warrant much handwringing about.

It's kinda amazing how difficult it's been for this team to find an effective 4C the last like decade. Ignoring Boyle/Plekanec pick-ups we've gone through: Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore, Fehr, Ben Smith, Froese, Laich, Trevor Smith, Carrick, Smithson, Steckel.

Makes me miss Tim Brent.

I don't think the Leafs should worry too much or rely upon a 4th center come playoff time.  Up the minutes for your top 3 centers so that the 4th line plays 4-5 minutes a night only.  Ride the horses you have and don't worry about getting your 4th line a lot of playing time. 
 
Zee said:
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Yeah, that's fair. I don't think either move the needle enough to warrant much handwringing about.

It's kinda amazing how difficult it's been for this team to find an effective 4C the last like decade. Ignoring Boyle/Plekanec pick-ups we've gone through: Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore, Fehr, Ben Smith, Froese, Laich, Trevor Smith, Carrick, Smithson, Steckel.

Makes me miss Tim Brent.

I don't think the Leafs should worry too much or rely upon a 4th center come playoff time.  Up the minutes for your top 3 centers so that the 4th line plays 4-5 minutes a night only.  Ride the horses you have and don't worry about getting your 4th line a lot of playing time.

Personally , I?d like to see more toughness on the 4th line.  Throw 3 all-skill lines at the opposition, and then when they least suspect it you throw out a line of tough, defensive forwards. I?m no Don Cherry, but that sort of mix of lines would have its advantages. Like you said they?d only get 4-5 minutes a night unless the skill guys are really getting knocked around by certain physical teams. Your 4th line brings that element, and as much or as little as is required in a game by game basis .
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Yeah, that's fair. I don't think either move the needle enough to warrant much handwringing about.

It's kinda amazing how difficult it's been for this team to find an effective 4C the last like decade. Ignoring Boyle/Plekanec pick-ups we've gone through: Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore, Fehr, Ben Smith, Froese, Laich, Trevor Smith, Carrick, Smithson, Steckel.

Makes me miss Tim Brent.

I'd take Joe Colborne at this point.
 
Some potential trade (talk) as per Bob McKenzie who believes that either one defencemen of Nick Jensen(Detroit) or Andrew McQuaid(Rangers) would fit in the Leafs plans:

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-toronto-maple-leafs-adam-mcquaid-new-york-rangers-top-trade-bait/2019/02/19/

I think a player such as Chris Kreider would give the Leafs that extra edge up front, a la Zach Hyman 2.0, as far as forwards go.  One could envision Kreider on the Matthews-Nylander line or anywhere in fact.  It would give the Leafs flexibility and bolster their wing depth even more.  But, at what price?

For defence, a young Brandon Montour (Anaheim) would round out the defence.  He?s robust, fast, and affordable (under $3.3M cap hit).  He?d be more of a young version of Jake Muzzin.  Again, what would the Ducks be asking for?

There?s plenty to choose from, but if it means dealing away prospects and some roster players, it?s doubtful Dubas will want to usurp the chemistry as it stands.
 
LuncheonMeat said:
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Yeah, that's fair. I don't think either move the needle enough to warrant much handwringing about.

It's kinda amazing how difficult it's been for this team to find an effective 4C the last like decade. Ignoring Boyle/Plekanec pick-ups we've gone through: Gauthier, Lindholm, Moore, Fehr, Ben Smith, Froese, Laich, Trevor Smith, Carrick, Smithson, Steckel.

Makes me miss Tim Brent.

I'd take Joe Colborne at this point.
How is ol Joe with the Flames or is playing elsewhere or at all.
 
He's no longer playing; at least not at the moment. He was in the AHL last season but got injured after 13 games and didn't play again. Hasn't played this season.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=101538
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Some potential trade (talk) as per Bob McKenzie who believes that either one defencemen of Nick Jensen(Detroit) or Andrew McQuaid(Rangers) would fit in the Leafs plans:

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-toronto-maple-leafs-adam-mcquaid-new-york-rangers-top-trade-bait/2019/02/19/

I think a player such as Chris Kreider would give the Leafs that extra edge up front, a la Zach Hyman 2.0, as far as forwards go.  One could envision Kreider on the Matthews-Nylander line or anywhere in fact.  It would give the Leafs flexibility and bolster their wing depth even more.  But, at what price?

For defence, a young Brandon Montour (Anaheim) would round out the defence.  He?s robust, fast, and affordable (under $3.3M cap hit).  He?d be more of a young version of Jake Muzzin.  Again, what would the Ducks be asking for?

There?s plenty to choose from, but if it means dealing away prospects and some roster players, it?s doubtful Dubas will want to usurp the chemistry as it stands.

Kreider would be a huge addition if Rask was playing too well!!!
 
Devante Smith-Pelly cleared waivers. Tiny bit surprised. The Leafs could have placed Kadri on the IR until after rosters expanded so nobody would have needed to be sent down if they got him.

But in any event it shows if the Leafs feel like they need a size upgrade it won't come via a 4th liner who isn't that good.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Devante Smith-Pelly cleared waivers. Tiny bit surprised. The Leafs could have placed Kadri on the IR until after rosters expanded so nobody would have needed to be sent down if they got him.

But in any event it shows if the Leafs feel like they need a size upgrade it won't come via a 4th liner who isn't that good.
One 4th line "big" player isn't going to make a difference on this team. We are what we are. Matthews and company in the top 6/9 have to go into the corners to get the puck against the likes of Chara.
 
AvroArrow said:
Gudas for 2nd + Zaitsev + 3rd
Jensen for Brown + 3rd + Hainsey

Reilly - Gudas
Muzzin - Jensen
Gardiner - Dermott

You just take away all Babcock's bad options and force him to ice better pairings  :D
 
AvroArrow said:
Gudas for 2nd + Zaitsev + 3rd
Jensen for Brown + 3rd + Hainsey

Reilly - Gudas
Muzzin - Jensen
Gardiner - Dermott

I'm seriously wondering why anyone would take that horrendous Zaitsev contract. We might have to eat some salary on that one.
 
Bender said:
AvroArrow said:
Gudas for 2nd + Zaitsev + 3rd
Jensen for Brown + 3rd + Hainsey

Reilly - Gudas
Muzzin - Jensen
Gardiner - Dermott

I'm seriously wondering why anyone would take that horrendous Zaitsev contract. We might have to eat some salary on that one.
Eating salary...would it be worth it? 5 more years after this one. I think you may have to include a pick as cap money is extremely important moving forward.
 
Just for s@!#'s and giggles I went over to hockeybuzz to see what ol' Eklund was saying. His most recent post from just before noon today had about a dozen different musing in it. Two of them were:

* The Caps are about to do something....we think. However, the longer this goes without a deal the more it feels like they may not get Hagelin...

* Devante Smith-Pelly will get picked up on waivers...

He also said that the Flyers are listening on Simmonds, which, duh. And that the Bruins and Wild are talking... yeah he's about a day late on that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Just for s@!#'s and giggles I went over to hockeybuzz to see what ol' Eklund was saying. His most recent post from just before noon today had about a dozen different musing in it. Two of them were:

* The Caps are about to do something....we think. However, the longer this goes without a deal the more it feels like they may not get Hagelin...

* Devante Smith-Pelly will get picked up on waivers...

He also said that the Flyers are listening on Simmonds, which, duh. And that the Bruins and Wild are talking... yeah he's about a day late on that.
I'm wondering if anything he's ever predicted came true.
 
Guilt Trip said:
I'm wondering if anything he's ever predicted came true.

He has, although I don't think he's really been credited for "breaking" something in a number of years. I don't doubt that at one point he had a source or two. But he's obviously monetized what he does and can't rely on one or two people giving him information (if those sources are even active anymore) to keep his website going. So the rest he just makes up, or makes educated guesses on, or just uses information from completely unreliable sources.
 
Guilt Trip said:
I'm wondering if anything he's ever predicted came true.

He has/had a source within the Flyers at one point, so he was somewhat accurate when it came to minor deals they were involved with, and, weirdly enough, he was often the first to report waiver claims around the league for while. As for the rest, someone did an analysis a few years ago, and his accuracy rate was around 3% - which is roughly the same as random chance. So, yeah, not great. He's no Code (at least, immediately after the 2005 lockout Code).
 

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