Trade deadline moves

[herman]

I will straight up name my first child Kyle or Kylie if he unloads the Zaitsev contract without taking on a comparable deal.

What if the comparable deal is Josh Manson? ^___^

Anaheim's internal budget probably doesn't like the signing bonus structure, but if they take him for the rest of this season, his salary is only 1M, and then trade him at the draft/before July 1 to... the Rangers who are preparing for Panarin? Manson's salary climbs up 1M starting 2019-2020 from 3.25M to 4.25M (i.e. salary > cap hit).

 

[Zee]

If they can offload Zaitsev it might give them the cap space they need to sign both Matthews and Marner.

Can they offload Zaitsev without a) retaining any salary or b) having to take another bad contract back?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Can they offload Zaitsev without a) retaining any salary or b) having to take another bad contract back?

I wonder if they try attaching him to say Kapanen and seeing what teams offer at that point. You clear Zaitsev's cap hit and Kapanen's future cap hit, which would be about $8.5-9mil total for next season.

That gives you the space to say re-sign Gardiner (or someone else), but it also removes the teams biggest trade chip to bring in another RHD.

 

[Zee]

Can they offload Zaitsev without a) retaining any salary or b) having to take another bad contract back?

I wonder if they try attaching him to say Kapanen and seeing what teams offer at that point. You clear Zaitsev's cap hit and Kapanen's future cap hit, which would be about $8.5-9mil total for next season.

That gives you the space to say re-sign Gardiner (or someone else), but it also removes the teams biggest trade chip to bring in another RHD.

Please stop bringing up Kapanen's name in trade rumors, thanks.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Please stop bringing up Kapanen's name in trade rumors, thanks.

Please stop expecting the defence to be upgraded in any way then, thanks.

 

[Zee]

Please stop bringing up Kapanen's name in trade rumors, thanks.

Please stop expecting the defence to be upgraded in any way then, thanks.

Lalalalalalalalla I can't hear you lalalalalalalalala

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder if something like Zaitsev + Kapanen (or whatever it takes) for Andrew MacDonald and Radko Gudas would work.

MacDonald has 1 year left after this season at a $5mil AAV. The Leafs could buyout that contract and we'd be hit with a $1.2mil penalty in 19/20 and a $1.9mil penalty in 20/21. Gudas has 1 year left too at $3.35mil so add that to MacDonald's buyout and we're at $4.55mil for next season. So we only gain cap space from whatever else we're adding. That won't be enough to get Gardiner signed, but it at least solves the Zaitsev problem.

Maybe I'm overpaying by including Kapanen in this. It really depends on how much other teams around the league value or don't value Zaitsev. I genuinely have no idea how he's viewed.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Please stop bringing up Kapanen's name in trade rumors, thanks.

Please stop expecting the defence to be upgraded in any way then, thanks.

There's ways of upgrading the D without trading Kappy. We have picks and prospects also. Lots of teams make deals at the deadline that don't cost a roster player.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I wonder if something like Zaitsev + Kapanen (or whatever it takes) for Andrew MacDonald and Radko Gudas would work.

MacDonald has 1 year left after this season at a $5mil AAV. The Leafs could buyout that contract and we'd be hit with a $1.2mil penalty in 19/20 and a $1.9mil penalty in 20/21. Gudas has 1 year left too at $3.35mil so add that to MacDonald's buyout and we're at $4.55mil for next season. So we only gain cap space from whatever else we're adding. That won't be enough to get Gardiner signed, but it at least solves the Zaitsev problem.

Maybe I'm overpaying by including Kapanen in this. It really depends on how much other teams around the league value or don't value Zaitsev. I genuinely have no idea how he's viewed.

Throwing away Kappy to dump Zaitsev for Gudas? Not a chance. And Gardiner isn't coming back unless he's taking 5 mill a year or less. discount.

 

[cabber24]

I am totally torn about the pending deadline. We're probably heading towards a first or second round exit. The rumored impactful Dman market does not fit next year's cap. We need low cap contributors going forward. Should we consider selling? Marleau, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Hainsey

I hate our D, it's just not good enough. I cannot fathom a realistic trade where we get a meaningful D back that we can afford to keep next year. I don't think it's time to sell future assets for a run now. I would consider guys like Kronwall and Bouwmeester for late round picks, that's about it.

But then again, PIT and WSH won with not exceptional D.

 

[ZBBM]

I wonder if something like Zaitsev + Kapanen (or whatever it takes) for Andrew MacDonald and Radko Gudas would work.

MacDonald has 1 year left after this season at a $5mil AAV. The Leafs could buyout that contract and we'd be hit with a $1.2mil penalty in 19/20 and a $1.9mil penalty in 20/21. Gudas has 1 year left too at $3.35mil so add that to MacDonald's buyout and we're at $4.55mil for next season. So we only gain cap space from whatever else we're adding. That won't be enough to get Gardiner signed, but it at least solves the Zaitsev problem.

Maybe I'm overpaying by including Kapanen in this. It really depends on how much other teams around the league value or don't value Zaitsev. I genuinely have no idea how he's viewed.

Rad(ko)ically.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I would consider guys like Kronwall and Bouwmeester for late round picks, that's about it.

This is exactly what I'd do. If you can swing a deal for a Parayko that you don't overpay you do it but Dubas should target guys that just get the job done. I think a guy like these mentioned may do wonders for a guy like Gardiner. I still think Hainsey should be paired with him for a bit. A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed and he hasn't imo..

 

[bustaheims]

I would consider guys like Kronwall and Bouwmeester for late round picks, that's about it.

Bouwmeester is not great defensively, and his offence has dried up. He'd the team's 4th best LHD and, while he'll be cheap, there will be cheaper, more defensively responsible LHD options out there if the team is looking for a depth pickup, so, hard pass there.

As for Kronwall, I question whether he'd be able to keep up with the speed the Leafs like to play with. He's more of the type of guy the Leafs should be looking at, so, if he comes really cheap, sure, but, anything more than like a 4th round pick, and I'd look elsewhere.

EDIT: I'd be looking at guys like Nick Jensen or Ben Lovejoy. They're not high-profile guys, but they improve an area the team is at its weakest (RHD). Jensen could probably takeover Hainsey's spot with Rielly and provide an upgrade there. Lovejoy would be more about the 3rd pairing.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I would consider guys like Kronwall and Bouwmeester for late round picks, that's about it.

Bouwmeester is not great defensively, and his offence has dried up. He'd the team's 4th best LHD and, while he'll be cheap, there will be cheaper, more defensively responsible LHD options out there if the team is looking for a depth pickup, so, hard pass there.

As for Kronwall, I question whether he'd be able to keep up with the speed the Leafs like to play with. He's more of the type of guy the Leafs should be looking at, so, if he comes really cheap, sure, but, anything more than like a 4th round pick, and I'd look elsewhere.

EDIT: I'd be looking at guys like Nick Jensen or Ben Lovejoy. They're not high-profile guys, but they improve an area the team is at its weakest (RHD). Jensen could probably takeover Hainsey's spot with Rielly and provide an upgrade there. Lovejoy would be more about the 3rd pairing.

I haven't seen Bow play so i'll take your word for it. I've been thinking Kronwall would be a good pick up on the cheap. I also agree with your RHD ideas. Guys that just get the job done is what this team needs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Jensen could probably takeover Hainsey's spot with Rielly and provide an upgrade there.

Could? Maybe. Would? Not a chance.

 

[Bullfrog]

This is exactly what I'd do. If you can swing a deal for a Parayko that you don't overpay you do it but Dubas should target guys that just get the job done. I think a guy like these mentioned may do wonders for a guy like Gardiner. I still think Hainsey should be paired with him for a bit. A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed and he hasn't imo..

A Parayko deal isn't happening. It'd cost way too much.

 

[Guilt Trip]

This is exactly what I'd do. If you can swing a deal for a Parayko that you don't overpay you do it but Dubas should target guys that just get the job done. I think a guy like these mentioned may do wonders for a guy like Gardiner. I still think Hainsey should be paired with him for a bit. A coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed and he hasn't imo..

A Parayko deal isn't happening. It'd cost way too much.

And that's why I said that you don't overpay. If it's possible to get him in a good old equal hockey trade, you do it. Lightning didn't give up much for McDonagh and Miller other then 2 picks and what has turned out to be some spare parts.

 

[cabber24]

I would consider guys like Kronwall and Bouwmeester for late round picks, that's about it.

Bouwmeester is not great defensively, and his offence has dried up. He'd the team's 4th best LHD and, while he'll be cheap, there will be cheaper, more defensively responsible LHD options out there if the team is looking for a depth pickup, so, hard pass there.

As for Kronwall, I question whether he'd be able to keep up with the speed the Leafs like to play with. He's more of the type of guy the Leafs should be looking at, so, if he comes really cheap, sure, but, anything more than like a 4th round pick, and I'd look elsewhere.

EDIT: I'd be looking at guys like Nick Jensen or Ben Lovejoy. They're not high-profile guys, but they improve an area the team is at its weakest (RHD). Jensen could probably takeover Hainsey's spot with Rielly and provide an upgrade there. Lovejoy would be more about the 3rd pairing.

My Post from July:

Trade deadline D possibilities: Kronwall, Boumeester, Del Zotto, Edler, Lovejoy

 

[CarltonTheBear]

My Post from July:

Trade deadline D possibilities: Kronwall, Boumeester, Del Zotto, Edler, Lovejoy

Edler's actually a guy I'd be interested in assuming the price was right. Also if he's comfortable playing the right side, or if Babcock would be fine moving Rielly to the right side with him on the left. The rest are all hard passes because they aren't any good.

Problem is it sounds like Edler wants to stay and Vancouver doesn't want to move him.

 

[AtomicMapleLeaf]

Honestly, I 'd rather do nothing than something at the deadline. The Bolts are way ahead of the rest of the league. But they've been through many more years like we are going through now. This isn't our year and I hope for the "you said this" posts. I'm more on the side of selling expiring contracts than trading assets.