Trade deadline moves

[herman]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season)

*whispers* Johnsson's qualifying offer was for even less.

 

[herman]

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season)

*whispers* Johnsson's qualifying offer was for even less.

Do I was right?!

Friday Fri-yay!

 

[Bullfrog]

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

Nobody can, herman, nobody.

 

[Zee]

Man it's a tough job looking at the cap, the team, and trying to project so many scenarios.  They sort of know where the cap will be next season at around $83M or so, and then you have Kapanen, Johnsson, Ozhiganov as RFAs (in addition to M&M of course).  Gardiner, Hainsey take up $7M together and both are as good as gone with UFA status. 

The biggest questions and importance to the team are cap hits of Matthews/Marner/Johnsson and Kapanen as part of you core.  On D I can only assume that Rosen is 3rd pairing left d next season as he already signed for 750K, so that gives Rielly, Dermott and Rosen as your left side (decent) and big question marks on the right.  Can Lillypad make the jump?  If so he's a cheap option for a few years.  I think it's imperative to get Zaitsev off the team and get a cheaper right hand D option who is better that can take his spot.

Sorry for the outpouring of thoughts, just getting it all out there.

 

[L K]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Yeah, Kapanen might be one who could push that although I'm not sure there are still enough GMs who would break with the "code" to do that right now.

Kapanen and Johnsson might be good picks to get Hyman/Brown type "bridge" deals I guess.  Realistically you probably have to move Connor in the offseason/deadline this year as while a good player his salary is one that is movable but also frees up a few dollars.  Marleau/Moore-Lindholm-Gauthier can be your 4th line next year and that doesn't really hurt the team losing Brown.

Kapanen/Johnsson takes his salary and least you wash out neutral there.

 

[ZBBM]

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

Nobody can, herman, nobody.

Some of us take pride in not even trying.  8) 8) : :

 

[L K]

Man it's a tough job looking at the cap, the team, and trying to project so many scenarios.  They sort of know where the cap will be next season at around $83M or so, and then you have Kapanen, Johnsson, Ozhiganov as RFAs (in addition to M&M of course).  Gardiner, Hainsey take up $7M together and both are as good as gone with UFA status. 

The biggest questions and importance to the team are cap hits of Matthews/Marner/Johnsson and Kapanen as part of you core.  On D I can only assume that Rosen is 3rd pairing left d next season as he already signed for 750K, so that gives Rielly, Dermott and Rosen as your left side (decent) and big question marks on the right.  Can Lillypad make the jump?  If so he's a cheap option for a few years.  I think it's imperative to get Zaitsev off the team and get a cheaper right hand D option who is better that can take his spot.

Sorry for the outpouring of thoughts, just getting it all out there.

Injuries might affect it but from some of the reports on the year Sandin might be more ready to step in than Lillypad.  That being said, it's possible both could make the team out of camp next year especially if Gardiner is gone. 

 

[Zee]

Man it's a tough job looking at the cap, the team, and trying to project so many scenarios.  They sort of know where the cap will be next season at around $83M or so, and then you have Kapanen, Johnsson, Ozhiganov as RFAs (in addition to M&M of course).  Gardiner, Hainsey take up $7M together and both are as good as gone with UFA status. 

The biggest questions and importance to the team are cap hits of Matthews/Marner/Johnsson and Kapanen as part of you core.  On D I can only assume that Rosen is 3rd pairing left d next season as he already signed for 750K, so that gives Rielly, Dermott and Rosen as your left side (decent) and big question marks on the right.  Can Lillypad make the jump?  If so he's a cheap option for a few years.  I think it's imperative to get Zaitsev off the team and get a cheaper right hand D option who is better that can take his spot.

Sorry for the outpouring of thoughts, just getting it all out there.

Injuries might affect it but from some of the reports on the year Sandin might be more ready to step in than Lillypad.  That being said, it's possible both could make the team out of camp next year especially if Gardiner is gone.

Yeah I'm high on Sandin, but then you run into the left shot/right shot conundrum.  Too many lefts, not enough rights.  I totally forgot about Justin Holl, maybe he can be 3rd pairing right.

 

[herman]

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

Nobody can, herman, nobody.

I can't even spell today.

 

[herman]

Man it's a tough job looking at the cap, the team, and trying to project so many scenarios.  They sort of know where the cap will be next season at around $83M or so, and then you have Kapanen, Johnsson, Ozhiganov as RFAs (in addition to M&M of course).  Gardiner, Hainsey take up $7M together and both are as good as gone with UFA status. 

The biggest questions and importance to the team are cap hits of Matthews/Marner/Johnsson and Kapanen as part of you core.  On D I can only assume that Rosen is 3rd pairing left d next season as he already signed for 750K, so that gives Rielly, Dermott and Rosen as your left side (decent) and big question marks on the right.  Can Lillypad make the jump?  If so he's a cheap option for a few years.  I think it's imperative to get Zaitsev off the team and get a cheaper right hand D option who is better that can take his spot.

Sorry for the outpouring of thoughts, just getting it all out there.

Injuries might affect it but from some of the reports on the year Sandin might be more ready to step in than Lillypad.  That being said, it's possible both could make the team out of camp next year especially if Gardiner is gone.

Yeah I'm high on Sandin, but then you run into the left shot/right shot conundrum.  Too many lefts, not enough rights.  I totally forgot about Justin Holl, maybe he can be 3rd pairing right.

Sandin has looked good when not injured, but he also looks good because he's sheltered and was riding some shooting luck. Liljegren has been getting the Rielly/Dermott treatment to prep him for top shutdown minutes.

 

[Bates]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

 

[herman]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

That's too much math for Friday, man. Also, Kapanen has an NHL dad.

 

[Bates]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

That's too much math for Friday, man. Also, Kapanen has an NHL dad.

As does Nylander,  I see he alse signed for less to give the team a better chance at winning. Marner also looks interested in giving a hometown discount. 

 

[Zee]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

Kapanen is also only 22 and just coming into his own.  Leafs have developed him, he's got friends on the team and he probably thinks his career will last more than just a few seasons so why not stick it out?  I'm not saying he'll take less money on a long term deal, but like I said he could sign for 2 years for a bit less now in hopes of a bigger payout in year 3+

 

[Zee]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

That's too much math for Friday, man. Also, Kapanen has an NHL dad.

As does Nylander,  I see he alse signed for less to give the team a better chance at winning. Marner also looks interested in giving a hometown discount.

Again, Kapanen isn't exactly in the same situation as Nylander or Marner.  He doesn't have the numbers to back up a huge contract demand.

 

[Bates]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

Kapanen is also only 22 and just coming into his own.  Leafs have developed him, he's got friends on the team and he probably thinks his career will last more than just a few seasons so why not stick it out?  I'm not saying he'll take less money on a long term deal, but like I said he could sign for 2 years for a bit less now in hopes of a bigger payout in year 3+

So easy to write as the guy not giving up more than a million a year and possibly more depending on tax situation with team offering. I highly doubt Kapanen ignores a 4 plus offer as suggested earlier in thread.

 

[Zee]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

I don't think many mid range players value winning when It's compared to money. There is zero guarantee Kapanen will be with the Leafs long term or that the Leaf's ever win. However if the Leaf's want to pay him sub 3 million and someone else is offering over 4 that is guaranteed to be his money for Life. I doubt anyone walks away from that offer.

Kapanen is also only 22 and just coming into his own.  Leafs have developed him, he's got friends on the team and he probably thinks his career will last more than just a few seasons so why not stick it out?  I'm not saying he'll take less money on a long term deal, but like I said he could sign for 2 years for a bit less now in hopes of a bigger payout in year 3+

So easy to write as the guy not giving up more than a million a year and possibly more depending on tax situation with team offering. I highly doubt Kapanen ignores a 4 plus offer as suggested earlier in thread.

Sure if there's a team out there willing to take a chance like that.  Guys who have one good season under their belt don't usually just get paid.  Every team has their own free agents to worry about, their own cap situation to worry about too.  To think someone is going to step up and try to offer big money to Kapanen right now?  I guess it could happen but it's not likely.

 

[herman]

Who is going to offer sheet him for 4M+ AAV?

It's fine/fun and dandy to assert something, but is the market going to actually support that move?

Like everyone insisting the Leafs need to trade for a defenseman these past few years, things don't just magically happen because the front office recognizes a need.

 

[Zee]

Who is going to offer sheet him for 4M+ AAV?

People think these things happen in a vacuum, but every contract signing has implications for every team.  The reason I brought up teams and their own cap situation and their own RFAs is this.  Let's say "Team X" does just that, offers Kapanen some overpayment of $4M+ on a decent long term.  Then, let's say they have their own free agent winger who was just putting up 10-11 points in his first few seasons but then has a ONE breakout year, you think he's going to want to take less than what Kapanen took?  "Hey you went out and gave this guy big money, oh by the way the cap is higher now too so where's my $5M+ deal?"  You're not just screwing the Leafs by offering sheeting a player you're screwing yourself too.  That's why teams don't do it.