Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM

[leafplasma]

Kukla's Korner reporting a source close to the redwings saying that when Datsyuk's current deal runs out (after next season) he is going home to russia.  Do the wings throw in the towel and trade datsyuk?  If so would you trade for approx 100 games worth of datsyuk?  and what would you trade for those services?

also, great news as we won't see a good detroit in our division for at least a few years!

I see them letting him retire in a Wing's jersey.  Detroit will also be competitive enough this year and next year to want him in their line up.  Remember for the same reason a contending team would want a rental like Datsyuk would be also the same reason a team like Detroit would want to retain him for those last 100 games.  I can't see this happening.

 

[caver]

Nonis said he would probably just tweak the roster this year. Goodbye Brown and Steckel. One more tweak to go Dave. Package a forward and a dman to make room for Gardiner. The clock is ticking...

 

[TML fan]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

I'd keep Lupul over Phaneuf. JVR is also pretty young and talented.

Unless the return is pretty huge for some pieces on this team (I doubt many teams would pony up what we'd all think is fair value) there's really no point to blowing it up.

I'd move Grabbo, Kuli, Mac,  any D man not named Gardiner, and maybe Kessel. Thing is we'd get cents on the dollar for most of them and where does that get us?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

How do you blow up a team with such a young average age? Where do you go from there.

If I'm Nonis, I stay the course and wait for the Gardiner's and Reilly's to start contributing and then see where you're at.

 

[TML fan]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

I'd keep Lupul over Phaneuf. JVR is also pretty young and talented.

Unless the return is pretty huge for some pieces on this team (I doubt many teams would pony up what we'd all think is fair value) there's really no point to blowing it up.

I'd move Grabbo, Kuli, Mac,  any D man not named Gardiner, and maybe Kessel. Thing is we'd get cents on the dollar for most of them and where does that get us?

There are at least 4 guys worth 1st round picks at the trade deadline. Start from scratch. This team isn't built for Carlyle hockey, and I don't see Nonis dumping the coach.

 

[TML fan]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

How do you blow up a team with such a young average age? Where do you go from there.

If I'm Nonis, I stay the course and wait for the Gardiner's and Reilly's to start contributing and then see where you're at.

Draft.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

I'd keep Lupul over Phaneuf. JVR is also pretty young and talented.

Unless the return is pretty huge for some pieces on this team (I doubt many teams would pony up what we'd all think is fair value) there's really no point to blowing it up.

I'd move Grabbo, Kuli, Mac,  any D man not named Gardiner, and maybe Kessel. Thing is we'd get cents on the dollar for most of them and where does that get us?

There are at least 4 guys worth 1st round picks at the trade deadline. Start from scratch. This team isn't built for Carlyle hockey, and I don't see Nonis dumping the coach.

Um ok.

So who are they? Obviously Kessel, JVR, Lupul and Phaneuf. Mac (maybe) and?

What teams are trading for these guys and where will those draft picks be? My guess is probably 20-30 overall.

So we gut our team of young, very talented 30 goal scorers (JVR, Kessel) and a guy who's really looking like a nice player (Lupul) for.....? More Stuart Percy's and Tyler Biggs? Lottery tickets with terrible odds to add exactly the type of young, talented forwards we already have?

In my view there are things wrong with this team, but they're not the players who could return us anything anyways. Grabbo, Kuli, Bozak as #1, money tied up in Komi, lack of a bonafide #1, bunch of AHL'ers playing D in the NHL, Carlyle's insistence on #1 line getting more PP and ES time than Kadri's line etc. Those are the things that are holding this team back from being a solid perennial playoff contender.

Give it a year or 2. Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri with more beef on him, bit more time to see what we have in Biggs/Percy/Blacker/Ross et al and this team can move a large bunch of extraneous pieces for actual needs. We'll also finally have a final say on the Goaltending situation which has run hot and cold (Freezing ATM).

I'm trying to think of a team in recent (or at any time) that had a young roster like ours, with proven NHL firepower, that up and moved them all for a shot at what can be a crapshoot, even with the #1 overall.

 

[caver]

The team needs a shutdown type, stay at home defenceman. Fraser does this well but is a 3rd pairing talent at best. With the team having many offensive type dmen (Liles, Franson, Gardiner) and Gunnarsson and Holzer showing holes in their game too many opponents are left alone in front of the net. I don't know how you label Phanuef. Some games he looks good defensively; others he looks lost. Some games he makes nice offensive plays and others he looks like he panics and fires the puck away randomly. If Nonis could pick up a talented stay at home dman it would help in the 2nd half. 

 

[caver]

And I realize that Komisarek was supposed to be that guy. But I think that ship has sailed. He won't get a chance to try and do that job again.

 

[moon111]

And I realize that Komisarek was supposed to be that guy. But I think that ship has sailed. He won't get a chance to try and do that job again.

I honestly think Komisarek could of contributed to any of the New Jersey Devil's Cup winning teams.  But N.J.'s system was never about the individual, but the entire team.  Ron Wilson's game plan (or lack of) had guys like Komisarek having to separate speeding forwards of the puck and then make an amazing outlet pass.  It wasn't going to happen.  Was thinking Carlyle's system might benefit Komisarek, but it's not to be.  I'm wondering if Komisarek's off-ice was considered to be a bad influence, and that's why he's sitting over guys like Holzer.

Think the best solution to the blueline is, as OldTimeHockey stated is to wait for Gardiner and Reilly.  However if it's going to take that long, maybe the best bet would be to send an asset like Phaneuf packing for future assets that will also be blooming at the same time.

 

[leafplasma]

We the continuing trend of 3 and 4 goals against per game and finally seeing RC at least making  some alterations to the lineup, sitting McLaren and Kostka, we may just see Komisarek yet.

 

[Redleaf]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

You don't end up with a better team, even long term, if you blow it up after any prolonged losing streak. You subtract and add from what you have. Blowing everything up puts you back at the starting line every time. I just don't get this kind of logic. This is one of the youngest teams in the league, and finally appear to be making progress. Blow it up and you have nothing for another 3-4 years, and then might end up with as good of team as they have today. Might.

 

[caver]

We the continuing trend of 3 and 4 goals against per game and finally seeing RC at least making  some alterations to the lineup, sitting McLaren and Kostka, we may just see Komisarek yet.

In the games we saw this year I think Komisarek was playing better than Holzer is now. Yet he doesn't even get a game in this tight schedule ? There could be other reasons for his benching.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Think the best solution to the blueline is, as OldTimeHockey stated is to wait for Gardiner and Reilly.  However if it's going to take that long, maybe the best bet would be to send an asset like Phaneuf packing for future assets that will also be blooming at the same time.

I have no issues with the team being tweaked but blowing it up is ridiculous.

 

[leafplasma]

We the continuing trend of 3 and 4 goals against per game and finally seeing RC at least making  some alterations to the lineup, sitting McLaren and Kostka, we may just see Komisarek yet.

In the games we saw this year I think Komisarek was playing better than Holzer is now. Yet he doesn't even get a game in this tight schedule ? There could be other reasons for his benching.

Hard to say though, it was only 4 games and the Leafs were playing some pretty good defensive hockey at the time and whether that was due in part to Komi, who knows.  I am sure you could take a string of 4 games that Holzer looked pretty good as well.  Just over the last 10 games the Leafs Defensive game has looked just plain bad and Holzer is mired in the middle of that getting bigger minutes than Komi ever has.  Having said that though I would definately sit Holzer for Komi a few games, I think it is definitely time and worth a try.

 

[louisstamos]

We the continuing trend of 3 and 4 goals against per game and finally seeing RC at least making  some alterations to the lineup, sitting McLaren and Kostka, we may just see Komisarek yet.

In the games we saw this year I think Komisarek was playing better than Holzer is now. Yet he doesn't even get a game in this tight schedule ? There could be other reasons for his benching.

Didn't Komisarek miss some time this year with an eye injury - and Carlyle implied that he "did something he knew he shouldn't be doing?"  I'm sure whatever it was must have caused Carlyle to lose favor with him...

 

[Zee]

We the continuing trend of 3 and 4 goals against per game and finally seeing RC at least making  some alterations to the lineup, sitting McLaren and Kostka, we may just see Komisarek yet.

In the games we saw this year I think Komisarek was playing better than Holzer is now. Yet he doesn't even get a game in this tight schedule ? There could be other reasons for his benching.

Didn't Komisarek miss some time this year with an eye injury - and Carlyle implied that he "did something he knew he shouldn't be doing?"  I'm sure whatever it was must have caused Carlyle to lose favor with him...

He smashed his stick in practice because he was frustrated at something and a sliver of the stick went into his eye.

 

[TML fan]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

You don't end up with a better team, even long term, if you blow it up after any prolonged losing streak. You subtract and add from what you have. Blowing everything up puts you back at the starting line every time. I just don't get this kind of logic. This is one of the youngest teams in the league, and finally appear to be making progress. Blow it up and you have nothing for another 3-4 years, and then might end up with as good of team as they have today. Might.

I don't think they are making any progress. They're a little bit worse offensively and a little bit better defensively. Its like they traded dog poop for cat poop. At the end of the day, poop is poop.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If I'm Nonis I'm blowing up the whole team. I keep Frattin, Kadri, Phaneuf and the goalies. Everyone else is gone.

You don't end up with a better team, even long term, if you blow it up after any prolonged losing streak. You subtract and add from what you have. Blowing everything up puts you back at the starting line every time. I just don't get this kind of logic. This is one of the youngest teams in the league, and finally appear to be making progress. Blow it up and you have nothing for another 3-4 years, and then might end up with as good of team as they have today. Might.

I don't think they are making any progress. They're a little bit worse offensively and a little bit better defensively. Its like they traded dog poop for cat poop. At the end of the day, poop is poop.

Is that really the case?

I have the impression (I don't know the stats of last year) that they're very good offensively. Better than last year maybe.

They're currently 5th in the league with a couple extra GP on some teams under them (2.96 GPG). They're definitely a top 10 team in GPG on the season.

They're also currently in 17th place in GAA @ 2.77. Also better than last year IIRC.

The stats so far say they're a markedly better team (again, to this point in the season). This without Lupul for the majority of the season, and the loss of Schenn on D from a defensive standpoint.

I get you're upset about a 5 game losing streak, but I don't see it's trading "dog poop for cat poop". The team's better, has many new faces in the lineup (especially on D) and are currently in the playoff race. Hardly a reason to blow it up in the hope of landing a Mackinnon or Jones.