2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Highlander]

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

Right. Odds are though if they cleared waivers once they can probably do it again later on (like Petan did).

True enough. It's going to get interesting when Moore is healthy and the Leafs have to send another guy down, if they plan on carrying 7 D men on the road. Timashov or Moore. Maybe Goat?

Tried to say this before unsuccessfully. Timashov will not clear waivers in my belief.  Can't let the lad go for nothing.  I would consider trading Goat to Montreal. Good Pie there.

 

[Guilt Trip]

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

Right. Odds are though if they cleared waivers once they can probably do it again later on (like Petan did).

True enough. It's going to get interesting when Moore is healthy and the Leafs have to send another guy down, if they plan on carrying 7 D men on the road. Timashov or Moore. Maybe Goat?

Tried to say this before unsuccessfully. Timashov will not clear waivers in my belief.  Can't let the lad go for nothing.  I would consider trading Goat to Montreal. Good Pie there.

I'd put Goat on waivers before Timashov

 

[Kin]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

 

[bustaheims]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

I was thinking the same thing before Babcock was let go. Muzzin and Barrie would both fetch nice returns at the deadline, and some of the other pending UFAs could at least bring in some late round picks. If they haven't solidified a spot by close to the deadline, it's definitely something they should be considering.

 

[Highlander]

Personally I don't want to tank at this point. I think Keefe needs about another 10 games to see what his adjustments will be. Will he keep Ceci and Rielly together? Hopefully not.  Why was St.Louis scouting us so hard for a week or so?  What effect will Marner have on the team? Will they get a capable back up?
Lots of questions that remain unanswered.  We could wish that Keefe had control of the team since the offseason but we know what wishes get.  If in ten games they are still in the same place then perhaps start to sell off.

 

[Bates]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

What's tg6e deal on the pick that went with Marleau? How is it protected?

 

[Kin]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

What's tg6e deal on the pick that went with Marleau? How is it protected?

Top ten

 

[Bates]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

What's tg6e deal on the pick that went with Marleau? How is it protected?

Top ten

They get next year's if this year's is top 10? Supposed to be a great draft, might not be a bad time to restock???

 

[ZBBM]

So who else is sort of coming around on the idea that the Leafs being bad this year might be a low-key good thing if it leads to them being sellers at the deadline?

Because if Muzzin/Barrie/A forward can be turned into a way to restock the shelves of a depleted farm system it's probably better long term than a low playoff seed and a likely early exit.

I was thinking the same thing before Babcock was let go. Muzzin and Barrie would both fetch nice returns at the deadline, and some of the other pending UFAs could at least bring in some late round picks. If they haven't solidified a spot by close to the deadline, it's definitely something they should be considering.

Yep.

They already frittered away Bozak and JVR for nothing based on flimsy hopes of playoff success.  Don't do it again for God's sake.

The defense needs a near-complete overhaul before there's any hope of being a real contender.  That much at least has been laid bare by this subpar start.

I'll keep beating the drum for moving at least one of Barrie or Muzzin if there's a sell-high opportunity.  Bring up Sandin and/or Liljegren and let them learn in this level so they both aren't raw rookies next season.

Call it a semi-tank.

 

[bustaheims]

Personally I don't want to tank at this point. I think Keefe needs about another 10 games to see what his adjustments will be. Will he keep Ceci and Rielly together? Hopefully not.  Why was St.Louis scouting us so hard for a week or so?  What effect will Marner have on the team? Will they get a capable back up?
Lots of questions that remain unanswered.  We could wish that Keefe had control of the team since the offseason but we know what wishes get.  If in ten games they are still in the same place then perhaps start to sell off.

It's not tanking. No one is suggesting the Leafs strip the roster or be purposely bad - or even start selling off in the next few weeks. What we're saying is that the team needs to be realistic about where they are as the deadline approaches. If they're still a bubble team at that point, the smart play is to get value for guys that are going to be too expensive to retain or who are not in the future plans.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1202302892113350657

 

[Coco-puffs]

LTIR is not retroactive.  If they move Moore to LTIR today, he'd still have to miss the entire minimum LTIR period beginning today. 

Getting some serious deja vu here:

3.  Unfortunately LTIR is not retroactive.  So if they wait 2 weeks, find out JT needs a bit more time, he's gotta sit 10 games or 24 days from the day they put him on LTIR.  Only IR is retroactive.

Believe it is: CBA 50.10.d.vi

A Club may elect to replace a Player who is unfit to play under this Bona-
Fide Long-Term Injury Exception at any point during the period that he is
unfit to play, and any days and games already missed by the Player as a
result of his being unfit to play (i.e., the injury/illness causing him to miss
more than twenty-four (24) calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular
Season games) prior to the election of the Bona-Fide Long-Term
Injury/Illness Exception shall retroactively count toward the missed
twenty-four (24) calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games
for the Player.

Ah.  Work has been killing me- hence I'm barely on here except once or twice a week.  I had missed your previous reply.  Thanks for the clarification.

 

[herman]

Trevor Moore to LTIR retroactively to accommodate Engvall?s cap hit

 

[L K]

Personally I don't want to tank at this point. I think Keefe needs about another 10 games to see what his adjustments will be. Will he keep Ceci and Rielly together? Hopefully not.  Why was St.Louis scouting us so hard for a week or so?  What effect will Marner have on the team? Will they get a capable back up?
Lots of questions that remain unanswered.  We could wish that Keefe had control of the team since the offseason but we know what wishes get.  If in ten games they are still in the same place then perhaps start to sell off.

It's not tanking. No one is suggesting the Leafs strip the roster or be purposely bad - or even start selling off in the next few weeks. What we're saying is that the team needs to be realistic about where they are as the deadline approaches. If they're still a bubble team at that point, the smart play is to get value for guys that are going to be too expensive to retain or who are not in the future plans.

I would certainly look at it.  The reality is that we lose at least one of Muzzin/Barrie in the offseason and possibly both.  I don't care how good Sandin becomes, the defense needs more help than that.  If we can turn our good UFA players into good players that will be here 2-3 years from now still, I'm game....of course if the Leafs turn it on in the 2nd half that might be unnecessary.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Personally I don't want to tank at this point. I think Keefe needs about another 10 games to see what his adjustments will be. Will he keep Ceci and Rielly together? Hopefully not.  Why was St.Louis scouting us so hard for a week or so?  What effect will Marner have on the team? Will they get a capable back up?
Lots of questions that remain unanswered.  We could wish that Keefe had control of the team since the offseason but we know what wishes get.  If in ten games they are still in the same place then perhaps start to sell off.

It's not tanking. No one is suggesting the Leafs strip the roster or be purposely bad - or even start selling off in the next few weeks. What we're saying is that the team needs to be realistic about where they are as the deadline approaches. If they're still a bubble team at that point, the smart play is to get value for guys that are going to be too expensive to retain or who are not in the future plans.

I would certainly look at it.  The reality is that we lose at least one of Muzzin/Barrie in the offseason and possibly both.  I don't care how good Sandin becomes, the defense needs more help than that.  If we can turn our good UFA players into good players that will be here 2-3 years from now still, I'm game....of course if the Leafs turn it on in the 2nd half that might be unnecessary.

Liljegren will be coming with Sandin next year so we should have 5 pretty solid D men in Rielly, Dermott, Sandin, Holl and Liljegren. Will they be able to handle it? Who knows but this is why they're grooming them on the Marlies. We'd still need a top pairing guy because Rielly isn't it.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1202325552192991239

Still sounds like a stop gap for the inevitable

 

[Bullfrog]

Codi "We-Don't-Have-Any-Better-Options-Dubas-Please-Get-Met-a-Defenseman" Ceci.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1202973613051260929

Just keep punting capmageddon down the line
I?m guessing fractured Johnsson.

 

[herman]

This is going to be so fun

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Damn. Aberg's been crushing it for the Marlies though. 24 points in 22 games. Leads the team in scoring and is 7th in the league. Not sure where he fits in with the 3 big RWs in front of him, but hope he gets a chance.