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2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Always has been my favourite Leaf,  yes it is brutal news. He went through very bad Covid also, hope that has nothing to do with the ALS diagnosis.
 
Very sad news.  That's a horrible disease, and, realistically, a death sentence.  But it's possible he can maintain some decent quality of life for longer than once was the case.
 
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1557477628264660992
Thrilling August transaction

He?s a UFA at the moment after Vegas did not qualify him
 
Zee said:
Salming was always one of my favorites.  Damn brutal news.  Hope things can go well for him. :(

Dave Keon was my hero when I was a kid but in later years Borje took over and still is to this day. Awful news
and I hope that we can make enough gains in treatment to help him as much as possible
 
princedpw said:
Could we ever see a middle six like this?

Steeves - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Engvall - Nylander

And have a Kampf line take all the Dzone face offs? (Though I read once that Kampf really isn?t very good without Engvall at his side to push the puck down the ice.)

Just pulling this conversation into the NHL roster space given the topic. I like Robertson opposite Nylander, but they'll need a centre that is defensively sound and forechecky (Kampf, but with a better shot, i.e. Fraser Minten in 2 years). If Tavares can get back into form from a good offseason without the body aches and the knee rehab and a svelte playing weight...

I have earmarked Holmberg, Steeves, Robertson, Anderson (and Malgin, I guess) as the prime contenders to make the jump over the likes of Gaudette, Clifford, Simmonds.

So we have
Stars: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares
Established Support: Bunting, Kerfoot, Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Aube-Kubel
Cheap Filler/In Development: Holmberg, Steeves, Robertson, Anderson, Malgin
Marlie veteran presence: Gaudette, Clifford, Simmonds

I have opinions on how it might shake out, but ultimately, I sort of want the Leafs to have situational combinations and generally be lineup agnostic to rotate options and developing players through various roles, a la Tampa style (and formerly Boston). Basically, the goal is to make everyone south of the star line a plug and play person, whether we are stacking two top lines (or trying to, ahem Tavares-Nylander) or using the stars as the 'spine' of the roster (Matthews - Tavares - Nylander).

There are obvious benefits: reliable depth! system continuity and flexibility in the face of injury! It also keeps them relatively cheap until they stick up their heads a bit too high (Hyman, Mikheyev), unless they stick out into star territory (hurray!).
 
herman said:
princedpw said:
Could we ever see a middle six like this?

Steeves - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Engvall - Nylander

And have a Kampf line take all the Dzone face offs? (Though I read once that Kampf really isn?t very good without Engvall at his side to push the puck down the ice.)

Just pulling this conversation into the NHL roster space given the topic. I like Robertson opposite Nylander, but they'll need a centre that is defensively sound and forechecky (Kampf, but with a better shot, i.e. Fraser Minten in 2 years). If Tavares can get back into form from a good offseason without the body aches and the knee rehab and a svelte playing weight...

I have earmarked Holmberg, Steeves, Robertson, Anderson (and Malgin, I guess) as the prime contenders to make the jump over the likes of Gaudette, Clifford, Simmonds.

So we have
Stars: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares
Established Support: Bunting, Kerfoot, Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Aube-Kubel
Cheap Filler/In Development: Holmberg, Steeves, Robertson, Anderson, Malgin
Marlie veteran presence: Gaudette, Clifford, Simmonds

I have opinions on how it might shake out, but ultimately, I sort of want the Leafs to have situational combinations and generally be lineup agnostic to rotate options and developing players through various roles, a la Tampa style (and formerly Boston). Basically, the goal is to make everyone south of the star line a plug and play person, whether we are stacking two top lines (or trying to, ahem Tavares-Nylander) or using the stars as the 'spine' of the roster (Matthews - Tavares - Nylander).

There are obvious benefits: reliable depth! system continuity and flexibility in the face of injury! It also keeps them relatively cheap until they stick up their heads a bit too high (Hyman, Mikheyev), unless they stick out into star territory (hurray!).

Your alternate lineup does include Rodrigues ? he may make too much for us but I know nothing.  I wonder when the UFA dominos and cap compliance trades will start moving again ? maybe September?

Since Nylander-Tavares didn?t seem to outscore the opposition last year, it makes sense to split them up unless perhaps we are behind?.
 
I think Tavares was hampered a lot last season by the concussion/knee recovery and subsequent COVID. It really hampered his ability to make plays under pressure and convert on contested ice.

He sounds like he?s on a better track this off-season and focusing on speed/agility.

Nevertheless, I?d like to insulate him and his role with more support with the likes of Rodrigues, or Sonny Milano (playmaking LW). Basically a different flavour of Kerfoot at a lower cap hit thanks to market pressures. We might have to move Kerfoot at a ?loss?.

Just prior to training camp seems like the right time as players are coming back into action and injuries might become apparent, and is probably when Lou finally faxes in those deals he?s been sitting on.
 
caveman said:
could Carey Price be traded  to a team up against the cap to give another $10 million in space?

Not how that works. LTIR doesn?t give additional space. It allows you to use it twice. So, a team would need to be able to fit Price under the cap to start with.
 
bustaheims said:
caveman said:
could Carey Price be traded  to a team up against the cap to give another $10 million in space?

Not how that works. LTIR doesn?t give additional space.

I think the easiest way to explain it is that it DOES give you additional space, but it doesn't make Price's cap hit just go away. So a team could pick up Price and their cap ceiling could potentially go up to $93mil... but Price accounts for $10.5mil of that so really it's still just $82.5mil in actual usable space.
 
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.
 
L K said:
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.

It's tough getting excited for the regular season when the Leafs could literally go 82-0 and none of us would feel any better going into round 1 of the playoffs.
 
Nik said:
L K said:
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.

It's tough getting excited for the regular season when the Leafs could literally go 82-0 and none of us would feel any better going into round 1 of the playoffs.

Look on the bright side.  At Leaf fans and Leaf haters now have something in common.
 
Nik said:
L K said:
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.

It's tough getting excited for the regular season when the Leafs could literally go 82-0 and none of us would feel any better going into round 1 of the playoffs.
I mean that's the thing... But I think the same thing every year and I come back every year. I watched most games during the Burke/Nonis era and thought that would be it.

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Nik said:
L K said:
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.

It's tough getting excited for the regular season when the Leafs could literally go 82-0 and none of us would feel any better going into round 1 of the playoffs.

Since Matthews arrived I have tried to watch as much as possible (and watched a hell of a lot even before that, when there was no good reason to).  But I have to ask myself, should I really spend hundreds of hours a year on a group of players who can't even win a single playoff round?  I may be a sane, responsible adult and skip a few games this year.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Nik said:
L K said:
Is anyone excited for the Leafs to be back?  I'm certainly going to be there watching but the piece-meal roster construction in net and in the bottom 6 coupled with teams that on paper look (and generally perform extremely well) but not being able to get it done in the postseason.  I'm really muted on it.  Maybe its just because the regular season is so far away but I'd usually be gearing up to be excited about hockey by now and I'm just not.

It's tough getting excited for the regular season when the Leafs could literally go 82-0 and none of us would feel any better going into round 1 of the playoffs.

Since Matthews arrived I have tried to watch as much as possible (and watched a hell of a lot even before that, when there was no good reason to).  But I have to ask myself, should I really spend hundreds of hours a year on a group of players who can't even win a single playoff round?  I may be a sane, responsible adult and skip a few games this year.

Showing my age... I've lived in the U.S. since '84. Never missed a game  that I could've watched. In '93 I installed an 8ft satellite in my North Carolina backyard so I could watch HNIC every Saturday night. Since then it's been DirecTV, NHL OnIce, and now unfortunately ESPN+. Win or lose I love the ups and downs of the Leafs season. I now live in New Mexico and have been to Denver to watch the Leafs play the Avs a few times. I don't post on this site much, but I love the content and insight of the folks on this board, been following this group since the plaidworks days. 

Go Leafs Go!
 

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