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Bullfrog said:At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?
Probably but who knows? Maybe he thinks he's hard done by and wants out of there. Apparently the AHL doesn't keep player's ice time.Bullfrog said:At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?
herman said:Bullfrog said:At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?
How effective can someone be if you suppress his opportunity to play during his prime growth and development stage?
I think I'd like to see him get a good run with some good players before saying he's a bust for certain. It's literally the perfect time for the Islanders to try to add excitement to their team but it's obvious they're going for less tangible things right now.
herman said:Meanwhile...
https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1057310466450419713
Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.
But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
Frank E said:herman said:Meanwhile...
https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1057310466450419713
Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.
But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
Yep, Edmonton is not a good trading partner for the Leafs.
Also, is he starting to smell like Yakupov or Paajarvi?
herman said:Meanwhile...
https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1057310466450419713
Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.
But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
Andy said:Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
Andy said:Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
Nik the Trik said:Andy said:Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
I'm not sure it does much for the Leafs unless you think the Leafs can sign Trouba to a long term deal which seems unlikely with their cap situation. If the Leafs can't really sign Gardiner long term, it doesn't seem like they'd be any more likely to with Trouba.
So then what are you left with? Ehlers for Nylander which is a trade I wouldn't make.
Andy said:Yea, I guess it depends on what kind of contract you can get out of Trouba. I'd take Nylander over Ehlers straight up myself, but if it's the latter at 6 million or the former at 8, well, that extra 2 million (along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.
That seems like a terrible deal for us. Could Nylander and change for Trouba happen, because i'd eat that deal on toast. Ehlers' contract is the part that shakes me, and i'm firmly on Team Jake. With Rielly being who he is, Jake's role has never been more clear. And whie Nylander for Trouba might make some recall how Taylor Hall wound up in Jersey, it's not the same thing. Nylander is not a franchise player, and Trouba is 100% a top pairing guy.Andy said:Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
Andy said:(along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.
Foreign Correspondent said:Andy said:(along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.
Why is everyone so hot on the biscuit to dump Brown? He's value.
Andy said:Foreign Correspondent said:Andy said:(along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.
Why is everyone so hot on the biscuit to dump Brown? He's value.
Well he's certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination but I'm not really sure what value he adds. He's a 2million+ player that can kinda do alot of things okay but nothing particularly good. For a guy who didn't even break the 30 point barrier last year (and that's with plenty of ice time and usually with premier linemates) going forward I don't see any reason not to replace him internally and save whatever precious cap space you can.