Armchair GM 2018-2019
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herman
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Bullfrog said:
How effective can someone be if you suppress his opportunity to play during his prime growth and development stage?
I think I'd like to see him get a good run with some good players before saying he's a bust for certain. It's literally the perfect time for the Islanders to try to add excitement to their team but it's obvious they're going for less tangible things right now.
Guilt Trip
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Probably but who knows? Maybe he thinks he's hard done by and wants out of there. Apparently the AHL doesn't keep player's ice time.Bullfrog said:
herman
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Meanwhile...
https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1057310466450419713
Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.
But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1057310466450419713
Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.
But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
hockeyfan1
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herman said:
I always liked Ho Sang and thought he'd be a natural fit for the Islanders. Apparently Trotz & Lou have other ideas. Ho Sang maybe top six offensively but needs improvement on his defensive side.
I agree in that if a player needs further developing and has already shown promise, then at some point he should be given an opportunity to further it.
Andy007
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Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba
I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.
For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?
A finnish leaf fan
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Andy said:
If the Jets suggested that trade I think Dubas would take the offer and run. Ehlers is basically a LW version of Nylander locked into a contract Nylander should be getting and Trouba is a little less gifted offensively than Gardiner but much better defensively and also a coveted right-hand shot. Granted, Trouba also has a history of contract disputes but at least he has caved in with his demands.
Kin
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Andy said:
I'm not sure it does much for the Leafs unless you think the Leafs can sign Trouba to a long term deal which seems unlikely with their cap situation. If the Leafs can't really sign Gardiner long term, it doesn't seem like they'd be any more likely to with Trouba.
So then what are you left with? Ehlers for Nylander which is a trade I wouldn't make.
Andy007
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Nik the Trik said:
Yea, I guess it depends on what kind of contract you can get out of Trouba. I'd take Nylander over Ehlers straight up myself, but if it's the latter at 6 million or the former at 8, well, that extra 2 million (along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.
Kin
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Andy said:
Even with a conservative estimate of, say, 6.5 million long term for Trouba and 9 and 12 for Marner/Matthews you'd still be looking at around 50 million going to Ehlers, Trouba, Marner, Tavares, Matthews and Andersen. Then around 60 for Kadri/Rielly. So that'd leave you with 20 million or so to bring back 14 guys. That's tricky enough without the Marleau/Zaitsev deals, basically unworkable with them.
Foreign Corresppondent
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That seems like a terrible deal for us. Could Nylander and change for Trouba happen, because i'd eat that deal on toast. Ehlers' contract is the part that shakes me, and i'm firmly on Team Jake. With Rielly being who he is, Jake's role has never been more clear. And whie Nylander for Trouba might make some recall how Taylor Hall wound up in Jersey, it's not the same thing. Nylander is not a franchise player, and Trouba is 100% a top pairing guy.Andy said:
So i guess this is my respectful disagreement that Dubas would jump on the two-fer-two.
Foreign Corresppondent
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Andy said:
Why is everyone so hot on the biscuit to dump Brown? He's value.
Andy007
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Foreign Correspondent said:
Well he's certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination but I'm not really sure what value he adds. He's a 2million+ player that can kinda do alot of things okay but nothing particularly good. For a guy who didn't even break the 30 point barrier last year (and that's with plenty of ice time and usually with premier linemates) going forward I don't see any reason not to replace him internally and save whatever precious cap space you can.
Foreign Corresppondent
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What would Manson cost?
Did you just describe Peter Zezel? Ok, i completely understand the idea that he's not an all-star, but he's fire in the belly and i can't think of a glaring flaw. That screams 3rd-line to me. Who would you replace him with? Sure, i'd love to put Wayne Simmonds out there with Naz and watch the world burn, but Brown is committed, affordable, and if you can name a player better suited to that role not on an ELC, i'll eat my hat.
What people saw last year in McBackup, i see in Downtown Connor Brown. Trading him is more hassle than it's worth. He's a character guy and he's earned our respect.
Andy said:
Did you just describe Peter Zezel? Ok, i completely understand the idea that he's not an all-star, but he's fire in the belly and i can't think of a glaring flaw. That screams 3rd-line to me. Who would you replace him with? Sure, i'd love to put Wayne Simmonds out there with Naz and watch the world burn, but Brown is committed, affordable, and if you can name a player better suited to that role not on an ELC, i'll eat my hat.
What people saw last year in McBackup, i see in Downtown Connor Brown. Trading him is more hassle than it's worth. He's a character guy and he's earned our respect.