Goaltending conundrum v3.0-Reimer or Bernier?

[Redleaf]

Not me.  Any of the guys Potvin named would probably suffice for me (well, except Fleury).  I'm not asking for the next Lundqvist here.  But IMO Reimer hasn't exhibited the kind of "lift the team" talent that is a minimum requirement for a #1.

Yeah, but he listed just about all of them. There aren't really any others in the league that I'd add to that list, other than maybe Rask - and I'd still need him to show he can put up these kind of numbers in back to back seasons as a starter - and maybe Quick, depending on how he finishes this season. And, I wouldn't trust Miller for that long, either. You're talking elite starter, not just #1 goalie.

I'm going to hit the sack now, but could we not add Brodeur, Luongo as well?  Anyway, my central point is that Reimer has not shown himself to be good enough to say, "Hey, we've found our goalie."  I well remember the last time that phrase was used by a Leafs general manager, and I'm sure you do too.... 

I think Reimer has the potential to be a real good goalie down the road. Most goaltenders take a very long time to come into their own. That is why the Leafs need to acquire a veteran netminder that can play the majority of the games and allow Reimer to ease into the number one role over time.

 

[leafplasma]

We all have our
favourites as sport fans.  I just happen to be a fan of Scrivens, I like his game, I like the way he carries himself, maybe I am way out there in these gut feelings I have relative to Scrivens and his capabilities and if so oh well.  I see Reimer is in again tonight and I wish him the best, I certainly hope he will catch fire and help this team out because it looks like RC is giving him every opportunity to be that guy.  I am at the point that I am tired of being a Scrivens fanboy and it seems that for the most part many on here are tired of hearing about it .  I just want to fit in with the community here and not rub anybody the wrong way.  So if Reimer takes this team into the playoffs I will be a happy guy, he is a good kid and I certainly wish the best for him.  Cheers guys.

 

[ZBBM]

Hey man, never apologize for having favorites.  That's the fun of being a fan!

For the record, while I'm not convinced either Reimer or Scrivens is a #1, either of them are better than what we had before, my intemperate comments about Scrivens in the GDT a few nights ago notwithstanding.  (I was really rooting for Gustavsson to step up, but alas he never really did.)

 

[bustaheims]

(I was really rooting for Gustavsson to step up, but alas he never really did.)

Speaking of . . .

BSH_EricT: Jonas Gustavsson's career .907 ES Sv% is the lowest of any active NHL goalie with at least 15 career games played.

 

[Arn]

Does last night count as a stolen game by Reimer?

I also prefer Scrivens - I like his scrambled style more. I like a goalie that makes the spectacular save, but most of the time a spectacular save is because the goalie isn't in position or whatever. But it's more fun to watch, I make no apologies for that! It's like Hasek v Brodeur on a smaller level

 

[nutman]

I think we have two Goalies that are only going to get better. this team is set in the nets for many years to come. I would also say we have two number ones, there just not quite there yet, but its comming.

Its just like how I was saying early last season, and got laughed at, and called to positive. that the Leafs dont need to trade for any forwards because we have at least 3-4 stars in the making. these guys are starting to show up as well, And all from our farm system, like I said. we dont need to trade for a center anymore then we needed to trade for a Goalie. we will deal our spare parts for picks, and just keep the farm stocked. now thats a team on the move.

Wait until Colburne is ready, big center. Hamilton is here and he is solid, to bad its just because of injurys, but he may make the team next season. and the list goes on.

 

[Leafaholic99]

Forget about Kipper, Kyper says Miika won't report to his new team if traded....

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-kiprusoff-wont-report-to-team-if-traded/

 

[nutman]

We dont need a Goalie... when will people figure that out. we are set in net .

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

we're far from set...but no...i wouldn't want to give up anything serious to get one

 

[nutman]

we're far from set...but no...i wouldn't want to give up anything serious to get one

Reimer and Scrivens are all we need. why change what is not broken. get used to the fact the Leafs are a team that for the most part will grow there players, instead of selling off the farm for old washed up ones. this in turn is a good reason why we are now a team to watch out for in the east.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

we're far from set...but no...i wouldn't want to give up anything serious to get one

Reimer and Scrivens are all we need. why change what is not broken. get used to the fact the Leafs are a team that for the most part will grow there players, instead of selling off the farm for old washed up ones. this in turn is a good reason why we are now a team to watch out for in the east.

i fail to see where i mentioned selling the farm...in fact i feel like i implied the opposite

but my point stands...i would like to have another option in goal ..perhaps a veteran that could give the leafs some depth at that position going into the playoffs... 

 

[Jalili]

Upgrading in net is an option but it depends on much it will cost.

The more you spend in net the less you can spend on icing the best roster of skaters possible.

That's actually an advantage the Leafs have right now, because they've gone the route of allocating the bare minimum amount in net, while getting serviceable goaltending.

And in general the goaltending position seems to be more volatile than others. A lot of upstarts come and go, and teams who invest too much get burnt.

 

[nutman]

I just think we can run with what we have in net. Tor has spent more then enough trying to get that elusive goalie.  I think we have two that will carry us as far as we need to go.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Even if the Leafs did pick up another goalie, wouldn't you essentially be telling Scrivens that his time is done in Toronto? Would they carry 3 and make things uncomfortable?

I mean, I don't really see this situation requiring an upgrade, as Scrivens is doing what a back up does IMO. Reimer has good numbers, the team is winning, for the most part, so why not just keep letting these two build confidence and momentum? If you throw another guy in there, it's just going to get weird, and it may not work with the new guy, there's always that possibility.

 

[Zee]

Although I like the idea of a veteran goalie presence in case of an injury, or one of the 2 falters, who is out there?  Also what price would the Leafs have to pay to get a veteran?  If they can get someone without giving up anything of note I say ok, but I'm of the opinion we can stick with Reimer/Scrivens and see what we have into the playoffs.  Every goalie in the history of hockey has been a rookie in the playoffs at one time in his career.  Who knows maybe one of the two will grab the opportunity and shine.  If not, we have the summer to re-think our goalie needs.

 

[lc9]

Even if the Leafs did pick up another goalie, wouldn't you essentially be telling Scrivens that his time is done in Toronto? Would they carry 3 and make things uncomfortable?

I mean, I don't really see this situation requiring an upgrade, as Scrivens is doing what a back up does IMO. Reimer has good numbers, the team is winning, for the most part, so why not just keep letting these two build confidence and momentum? If you throw another guy in there, it's just going to get weird, and it may not work with the new guy, there's always that possibility.

I wouldn't really call Reimers numbers good, more middle of the pack.  For this year I don't see much of a reason to upgrade in goal.  I think the leafs can make the playoffs, maybe win 1 round, but that's it. 

Going forward, we will need a goalie upgrade, unless Reimer starts to show he can be a little more consistent and control his rebounds.  But I don't think we can make a deep run with our current goalie tandem. 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I wouldn't really call Reimers numbers good, more middle of the pack.  For this year I don't see much of a reason to upgrade in goal.  I think the leafs can make the playoffs, maybe win 1 round, but that's it. 

I'm looking at it from an age and development standpoint. I mean sure, he's not top in the league, but he's winning games, he's keeping us in games and his save percentage is pretty good over 20 games I think.

I guess my points were just that bringing in another goalie might create issues and do more harm than good. If the Leafs weren't doing as well as they are, I'd probably be a bit more behind the idea of bringing in another. Hell, if one of our two goalies were horrible, I'd be the first in line to call for a trade.

 

[lc9]

I'm looking at it from an age and development standpoint. I mean sure, he's not top in the league, but he's winning games, he's keeping us in games and his save percentage is pretty good over 20 games I think.

Win/lose can be deceiving.  Scrivens has a better GAA and the same save % as Reimer yet Ben's record is 7-8-0 compared to 11-4-4 for Reimer. You really can't tell a difference between the two in terms of numbers, Reimer has just gotten more goal support when he plays.

I guess my points were just that bringing in another goalie might create issues and do more harm than good. If the Leafs weren't doing as well as they are, I'd probably be a bit more behind the idea of bringing in another. Hell, if one of our two goalies were horrible, I'd be the first in line to call for a trade.

I don't disagree with any of this.  I think going forward we should stay put. Re-evaluate at the end of the year.

 

[Zee]

I believe of all goalies who have started 20 or more games, Reimer is in the top 10 in save % so that's pretty good.  He's doing what he needs to for the Leafs to win.

 

[Champ Kind]

I just think we can run with what we have in net. Tor has spent more then enough trying to get that elusive goalie.  I think we have two that will carry us as far as we need to go.

Weren't you recently advocating for the Leafs to get Ryan Miller?